Or how long will it take for him to slip away, or become peeved by something someone said about *those *subjects, and there we go again…
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:dubious: Somewhat apples and oranges there. That “Broken Promises” category draws no distinction between pledges that Obama chose to abandon or take no action on (such as the promised elimination of no-bid contracts above the arbitrary cutoff of $25K) and ones that he was actively prevented from fulfilling by a vehemently obstructionist Republican Congress (such as the elimination of oil and gas tax loopholes, and lifting the payroll tax cap on earnings above $250K, and signing the UN Convention on the rights of the disabled, and providing a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants, etc.).
What we’re talking about in Trump’s case are promises that he’s already unilaterally choosing to abandon before he’s even in a position to try to implement them as President.
This isn’t just being unable for various reasons to fulfill as President every promise you made as a candidate: this is a President-Elect plain old flip-flopping on promises which, in many cases, were easily perceived by any rational voter as completely unworkable right from the get-go.
Donald Trump. Someone said recently that Trump’s detractors listened to the detail of what he said (and were horrified) while his supporters listened the sentiment but not the detail.
His crazier statements (like those above) were intended to make him sound like a xenophobe’s xenophobe. The type of guy whose heart was - by xenophobic standards - in the right place.
He never meant any of that shit. He just said it to win.
The thing with Trump is that he made himself out to be different than the lying politicians, more honest and in tune with people’s needs. So I for one would be very glad to point out where he backs off promises he made. Many of Trump’s supporters seemed to support him because he “told it like it is” with his bullying and politically incorrect word salad, along with listening to the sentiment of his words, not the actual, specific words, as Princhester said. So most of his supporters probably won’t care as long as he continues to skewer enemies like the news media and somehow brings back jobs. Some of his supporters are likely to be pissed though, especially though who hate Clinton
On the other hand, many of his promises were scary to a lot of people, including myself. So if he backs off a lot of his nuttier promises and can govern more as a centrist, so much the better. Though with his cabinet made up mostly of right wing conservatives, it will probably be more in that mode
One of these days, you hope Republican voters will finally see that much of the noise and fury raised by the party and talk radio about the other side is mostly bunk. We’ll see how much party members protest the stuff that Trump does that’s over the line in ethics and way worse than they could actually prove with Clinton. The Trump Foundation’s self-dealing and Trump’s continuing use of his office to help his business should raise hackles but aren’t
Every time I read about him walking back a campaign promise, I find myself wondering when he will walk back the walk back.
Exactly. If he just said shit to trick people into voting for him, now that he’s president he’s just saying shit to trick people into thinking he’s “presidential”. Why anyone would believe the lying lies that come out of his lying mouth, I don’t know.
Sorry if this has already been answered, but is there any polling as to what percentage of Trump voters literally expect the few very concrete positions Trump took including the 20 foot wall Mexico is paying for, the jailing of Clinton and the deportation of all people here illegally?
Kinda depends on whether the Build the Wall group is the same as the Bomb the Mooslims. Probably not the same as the Give All Our Money to the Rich Guys vote.
I guess I meant for each one broken out. I mean, what percentage of Trump voters will be disappointed come 2020 when that wall isn’t built and Mexico didn’t pay for it?
Yeah, like while everyone is catching their breaths in relief over no actual Wall or no Extradition Force, he sneaks in a “The World Was Perfect In 1950” SC Justice or a tax break for defense contractors that book all their travel at Trump hotels, and everyone’s too exhausted by then to stand up to that.
None, at least who will admit it. “Sheesh, you weren’t supposed to take that literally! It was symbolic. It’s a whaddayacallit, like in the Bible. A parabola.”
Because they want to. Trump understands that for many people, if they like you, if they think you are one of them, they will not hear your lies and do not care what you do wrong to others. I don’t know how bright Trump is but he’s certainly a natural psychologist. He understands how tribalism works. You’ll remember when he said he could walk out onto the street and shoot somebody and he would still be popular. It wa an exaggeration but only a little. Tribalism. That’s why pussy grabbing didn’t make him unelectable. That’s why lying didn’t make him unelectable. That’s why threatening minorities didn’t make him unelectable.
Frankly, I’d rate Politifact’s use of “promises broken” as at most half true. Breaking a promise means you didn’t try to fulfill it. It’s shitty language, when the entire point of the Obameter was supposed to be to show that Presidents rarely break promises-- i.e. actually make promises they didn’t intend to keep
I’m wondering what are the parameters of making America great again?
What if one day when everything is going to hell he tweets “Hey! I’ve done it, everything is great! America IS great again!” Would his supporters believe him?
If he tried to back that up with actual facts you would have to pick my jaw up off the floor, but it would be fun to see Kellyanne Conway trying to spin it.
The wall isn’t going to be along the whole border, you see, because of mountains and vicious rivers.
Is that the same mighty Rio Grande that Mexicans wade across?