The Trump Impeachment Trial

Like I said, future elections will be

Warren D-India
Devos R-Russia

… if UltraVires and the rest of the people who follow this purposeful anti-democracy argument get their way.

And, as I noted months ago, it’s not even a principal of Democracy but a principal of sovereignty to disallow the use of foreign agents to interfere with the internal politics of your own country - shit, it doesn’t matter what type of government one has! The Republicans are engaging in Fall of the Roman Empire level shit here, and they can’t see this because they’ve been so infused with the Culture of Selfishness that they, literally, cannot look beyond the financial comfort of their time here on Earth.

Question: If Mcconnell has the votes on witnesses, why are the GOP still talking about the possibility of this going into next week, or longer? Why are they not… voting?

Oh, well. They’ll get the votes, then Trump will be a monarch, and that will be it.

You know… if they threw over American Democracy for, say, Warren Buffet or Bill Gates… maybe I would understand? Maybe? But for someone like Donald Trump… the mind just boggles.

Shouldn’t Joe Biden release a statement immediately after Trump’s acquittal asking Iran to obtain Trump’s tax returns for release and offer sanction relief in return? As long as he thinks he is better for the country than Trump, this is now just fine.

“He really should be impeached. But I’m not man enough to do it.”

I think they got the votes. It’s over. Murkowski is a no.

“Murkowski spokeswoman confirms she will vote “NO” on witnesses, statement coming shortly.”

I’m sure she’ll be amply rewarded.

I think he also realizes that he might be called upon, in the future, to vote in favor of impeaching a Democratic president, and this is his out when that day comes. THIS time the impeachable offenses make it better for the country to remove the president, but not that last time.

You are leaving out some words.

Bolding mine. Those offenses, those crimes which proceed from…

If the President drives drunk or beats on his wife, then those are offenses or crimes, but are not ones which “proceed from the misconduct of public men” or are “from the abuse or violation of some public trust.” If the President accepts a bribe to support a new airport construction bill, then that is an offense which indeed proceeds from “misconduct of public men.” After all, nobody is paying me money for a new airport because I am not a “public man.”

I’m not sure how your quoting this means that Dersh is wrong.

Murkowski is a no because Elizabeth Warren hurt her feelings.

Schiff went there. He went straight there. He called out Cipollone right to his face over the Bolton story that came out today talking about an Oval Office meeting where Trump asked Bolton to set up a meeting between Rudy and Zelensky, with Mulvaney and Cipollone in attendance.

It won’t make a difference in the outcome, I’m sure, but it sure was satisfying to witness. If only the camera could have caught Cippolone’s face…

You’re not my mom! :frowning:

She’s the same ditz who got melted when Schiff read CBS’s report about Trump saying the GOP Senators heads would be on pikes.

When Trump does put her head on a pike, her feelings will be hurt even worse.

While they conveniently ignore that Republicans control two organizations (Senate and Dept of Justice) with authority to investigate and subpoena witnesses. If there was exculpatory evidence, Republicans could get it.

How can you characterize that statement as “Elizabeth Warren hurt her feelings”? It doesn’t mention Warren. It doesn’t mention her feelings.

All right, what time is the vote? That’s all I want to know…

“So no point in my doing anything about it.”

Oh, that’s the case clincher right there. A meeting. With his attorney in attendance. I changed my mind. Guilty!

Do you guys really hear yourselves? I’m not trying to be disrespectful, but this whole case has been like this. Breathtaking revelations about…nothing at all!

Again, it all stems from the fact that you hate Trump, think he is corrupt, and therefore everything he does must be corrupt. Anything he does is spun with the worst possible imputation, most of them not even reasonably spun from the relevant facts.

I’m glad this will be done today.

I think there’s a consensus in the legal community that Desh is wrong.

Well, I’m not defending Murkowski on her reasoning, but that was a fucking stupid question from Warren. Stupid in conception, stupid in the point it was trying to make, and stupid to ask it.

Since you obviously don’t read my posts:

But even more stupid to base ones vote for the allowance of witnesses on it.

So you believe the actions he undertook – which Alexander and others have acknowledged have been truthfully described – are *not *corrupt? I’d be curious to hear what you think constitutes corruption.

I forgot that Republicans don’t understand paraphrasing.

The second to last paragraph is pretty clearly about Elizabeth Warren. And she mentions her “sad”, which is a feeling.

I’m not sure there is any alternate explanation, but I’m all ears.