The truth about "Classic Rock"

WHAT??? I’m guessing that you got mud on your face, you big disgrace. Somebody better put you back in yo’ place.
Dammit, this is no time for losers.

One of the greatest rock and songs ever. It’s been covered a lot, always badly.

Sure, but he sold out later by using peacock ore because “the colours inspired him”. The unplugged concert was painful to all of us who remember his second album.

One of my favorites from that era is Wilma and Betty’s “Pebbles! Pebbles! BAM BAM (BAM)!

Arguing about what is or isn’t punk, on an Internet message board, is just about one of the most un-punk things you can possibly do.

Just thought I should probably point that out.

If that is all that defines punk rock, there’s a shitload of non-punk rock bands out there that are really punk rock. Throbbing Gristle would be one of the most punk rock bands on the planet.

Piss off.

We considered TG punk in my circle back in the day. Same with PiL, Suicide, Sonic Youth, Cabaret Voltaire, Foetus, Wire, etc. It was more about an attitude/worldview/aesthetic than 3 chord bashing. This was before “alternative” became a buzzword.

Some people have got waaaaaay too much time on their hands.

Okay - if you want to come across as someone worth having a conversation with, go to Cafe Society, start a thread entitled “The Clash Sucked - here’s why” and make your case.

Take responsibility for the quality of the discussion you want.

Usually when someone says something sucks it means they don’t like it.
Since you didn’t add any disclaimer stating you don’t like any music, then your statement absolutlely implies that what you do like (“your music”) is better than classic rock (“my music”).

I heard the same pseudo-intellectual clap-trap you espouse in the 70’s and in every decade since. Give it a rest. Don’t like classic rock -fine - get yourself a SiriusXM radio so can listen to all the alternatives that exist under the sun and you’ll never be forced to listen to a 60’s->70’s track ever again.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Satellite radio - instead of 10 channels that have the same breadth as the old crusty classic rock station, you get 200 channels that recycle everything every four hours! What an improvement!

Other than their HITS1 station, and the decade stations, that is totally untrue. Do you actually own a satellite radio? Have you actually listened to stations of genres other than your own tastes? I doubt it.

Why would I listen to stations of genres I don’t like? The several times I was in a car exposed to a satellite radio was a positive experience, but I figure it is because I only got exposed to them for about one day. But one time I was playing a game at a friends house and he had a satellite radio on on a channel I was enjoying, until about 2-3 hours in they started repeating the same artists. Granted it was not the same songs, but still I would like a bit more variety if I’m going to shell out actual money.

Ok, so I listened to Marquee Moon all the way through. I’ve never really listened to Television much before, but I enjoyed the track. However, coming from a guitar players perspective, I really didn’t see anything too difficult or unique about the solo. Actually, to my ears, I hear a lot of Neil Young (gasp!! - classic rock - NO!!!) influence in the guitarist’s playing. Kind of herky-jerky single note stuff. Interesting and enjoyable to listen to, I’ll give you that - but difficult or unique - hardly.

And before you ask - no, I’m not going to spend time learning the solo and record myself playing it to prove it to you…:smiley:

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Re-reading your original post again, I see that you’re not contending that the solo is particularly difficult, just that the guitarist is talented. I agree with you - he is talented. But there’s no denying the influence of classic rock on him. And if classic rock influenced one of your heros, don’t you think it would be worth your time listening to some classic rock a little more carefully before you say “classic rock sucks?”

The OP doesn’t care for influences or appreciating art on its own merits. If it doesn’t instantly conform to his ideals of good taste it is crap and that is all there is to it.

Sure, the “Marquee Moon” solo isn’t your classic blues-lick heavy (although there is certainly classic rock blues influence in there, more towards the beginning of the solo), fluidly phrased type of solo. It is indeed very herky-jerky or “angular,” foreshadowing the types of rhythms that would lay the foundation for a lot of post-punk.

I do think it’s pretty original, though, and that ragged, stacatto attack on the lead is a very different and interesting type of guitar solo that I’m not used to hearing. In my opinion, it is a masterpiece. The solo follows a wonderful emotional and musical arc, starting with single note guitar noodling, building into a little melodic phrase, which then keeps building, and building, up the scale. There’s lots of quirky little bends and vibratos that add to the tension, along with the jagged rhythms. Every time you think the solo can’t add tension and energy, the band finds a way to dial it up. It goes up the neck, single notes turn into chords, the rising chords turn into rising three-eighth-note full-band stabs, and, finally, when there’s no farther to go, it erupts in an ethereal arpeggio explosion. Then everything fades, except for a little tickle of the ride bell by Bobby Ficca, who reintroduces the main groove after a brief silence.

That guitar solo is simply a hell of a musical ride (for me, at least), and is everything a great guitar solo should be (once again, in my opinion). It is emotional, it has a compositional arc, it is appropriate for the song, and it communicates a musical idea. And, while everyone is listening to Verlaine, listen closely to what Ficca adds to this solo. Hear how he closely follows Verlaine, how he plays against his rhythms–like adding little triplet fills or 16th note high hat fills. He’s always playing a bit with the groove, keeping it colorful, and never settling down to anything completely predictable.

Yeah, I like that solo. :slight_smile: But “solo” detracts from what is a true full band effort.

One of the things that really annoys the shit out of my lab-mates, who are all much younger than me and who listen to a lot of modern indie/indie-folk music, is when I, the old fart, make comments like “Hmm…sounds a lot like Television” (Modest Mouse, Death Cab, etc.), “They’ve been listening to the Cure”, or the like. Now, I like the new music too, but my co-workers like to believe that their latest flavor of indie/postpunk/whatever is utterly unique, original, and new to the planet. I have to let them know about their musical roots.

I hope the little whippersnappers will appreciate it someday. :slight_smile:

Is a grand civilization less grand even though it was built by slaves and the slaves set free long ago? Classic Rock, like slavery and the Blues it grew from, served their purposes and laid the eggs for tons of pure awesome (as well as disco). That doesn’t mean it’s relevant any more, or even good by today’s standards.

We could say better understanding of the slave’s life would give better insight into blues, and we’d be right. But would that understanding really help us build a bridge between today’s classic rock and tomorrow’s? Or would learning that history instead doom us to relive it?

See, I disagree with your premise. There is no “today’s standards” to me. I don’t even know what that means, given the vast range in styles, production qualities, etc. in music consumed by people today.

Rather, it’s all just music, no matter if it was written and recorded in 1928 or yesterday. It either appeals to you or it doesn’t.