At least you got this correct.
Fucking Bullshit. There is no way in hell I am going to respect your opinion on anything music related unless I know your influences. Would you respect some random asshole’s deconstruction of hip-hop if you knew all he listens to is polka? Because you are too cowardly to offer your background, I’m going to assume you are a 32 year old man child with an ipod full of Justin Beiber and Kei$ha.
Television are one of my favorite bands. You find me a child who could play through the solo on “Marquee Moon.”
There’s a difference between being talented and being a wanker, and talent can’t be measured in pure technical skill.
Classy. Not that I needed anyone to respect my opinion (this was a “rant” after all), but if you look at the “What Is Punk?” thread I started over in Cafe Society it might give you a better idea of where I’m coming from.
Next thing you know you’ll be claiming Neil Peart isn’t a drum god.
He’s a great drummer. I’m not saying these people aren’t technically gifted. But by God, talk about ridiculous - Rush should have been included in my original post. They’re a great embodiment of everything I don’t like about rock ‘n’ roll. KISS are a good example too.
“Classic rock” is a commercial genre of radio that has proven to be a safe money-earner for the corporations that own the stations that play it. It’s not that regurgitating all this stuff from the 1970s is being done because its some sort of artistic high-water mark, it’s because people with high levels of disposable income apparently willingly listen to adverts in between the songs they’ve heard 10,000 times.
There are numerous FM stations nowadays that play a mix of disco and top 40 soft rock from the same era. Five minutes of that and I’m practically begging passers-by to shoot me in the head, so if all you are hearing is classic rock in your area, consider yourself lucky.
Any music gets on one’s nerves if you hear it often enough. This is an obvious fact that I doubt anyone seriously disputes. Thus the OP’s rant is judged lame on the following counts: 1) He’s stating the blindingly obvious, 2) He’s blaming entirely the wrong people; 3) While Jimmy PAGE (for fucks sake), Eric Clapton, Ritchie Blackmore, Keith Richards, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Pete Townshend, and Joe Perry may indeed have been wankers at various points in their lives, they are all highly accomplished musicians, have done some great work, and the OP so far as I know, is not qualified to carry their jockstraps.
Oh and because I have wasted fifteen minutes of my life on this thread, I condemn the OP to eighteen months of having the guitar riff from “Free Bird” stuck in his head.
So don’t fucking listen to them. It’s as simple as that. It’s the height of immaturity to go around claiming music you don’t care for sucks and never needs to be played again. Oddly this affectation is common with every punk and poser I run across. Why do you suppose that is?
Justin Beiber it is then. Tell me, do you lay awake thinking about him at night? Just imagining about losing youself in his dreamy eyes? “Oh Justin… sigh… Jimmy Paige never understood me. Not like you. I could be the Nancy Spungen to your Sid Vicious. Oh, how I wish we could go steady”.
I don’t see how this is an affectation seeing as it’s how I really feel. What pisses me off is that folks still obsessed with the old guard don’t want to hear it from people who aren’t into what they call “real rock ‘n’ roll,” which is ridiculous.
Also, the fact that these guys are skilled is not in dispute. The fact is, if you ask me, their songs are lame, and their solos all sound the same. They put technical display ahead of their songwriting (why else have a song with two choruses and a five-minute guitar solo? Who the fuck wants to hear that?), and as a self-professed poptimist, I think that’s bullshit. Anyway, why would I wanna carry a jockstrap for any of those fuckers?
Am I crazy to think that people posting and telling me not to listen to these bands are undermining their points by responding to this thread in the first place?
You still listen to radio? What century are you from, again? :rolleyes:
No, but I’d say you’re a bit crazy to think that anyone is going to get too worked up over a situation that can be resolved by, you know, turning off the radio.
Ace job exposing yourself as a homophobe, champ. And for the record, I don’t like Justin Bieber, but if I did it wouldn’t mean a thing to this thread. Also, El_Kabong was right, it is “Jimmy Page.” My bad.
Guess what? I like punk music. I like music with interesting guitar parts - note the use of the word “interesting” instead of “complicated” or “elaborate.” So I’m not interested in Eric Clapton climaxing all over his blues scale - I want my guitars to have some depth. Television, Sonic Youth, My Bloody Valentine, Slint, Fugazi, and hey guess what, I grew up in the 90s, so I like blink182 and Third Eye Blind also. Go nuts on that one, gang!
This can’t be entirely a generational thing, either.
My generation would be defined by the 90s. Some good and bad in there like every other decade, but most of the guys from my high school liked classic rock just fine. Actually, we had a vocal minority of people who loved it.
Even now, my radio presets include a classic rock station. Maybe your local station needs to mix it up more, but there’s nothing wrong with the music itself.
Dumping on an entire genre based on personal preference but trying to justify it as rational is just asinine.
Fair point, but it definitely goes beyond the radio. I couldn’t tell you how many people, even musicians I respect, will say stupid shit like “If you don’t listen to Hendrix then you don’t really play guitar.” Dammit, I DO play guitar, and even if I didn’t it wouldn’t make this tired old bullshit more interesting. I’m not trying to say I’m a visionary or that there aren’t other people out there with the same ideas as mine, but that doesn’t mean I don’t get annoyed at it once in a while.
How the fuck do you get “homophobe” out of that?
Look buddy, I don’t like Classic Rock either. I’m not defending it. I loathe the motherfucking Beatles. But you are coming across as a complete asshole, so I’m fucking with you.
OK, OK, OK. Look. I realize this is a real pile-on here and with good reason. But I’ll leave the thrashing to others. The truth is, I actually want to take advantage of this opportunity to discuss and compare music with the OP, because, let’s face it, he’s taken a pretty ballsy stance here. Never in my life have I heard or seen someone criticize so many nearly-universally-respected musicians and bands all in one go. It’s quite rare to have anyone come out so strongly against this music.
So, with this being said: punch line loser, you sound like mostly a “post-punk” fan. What do you think about:
“Post-rock” instrumental-dominated music like The Sea and Cake and Tortoise?
Early 90s alternative rock like Red Hot Chili Peppers, Smashing Pumpkins and Jane’s Addiction?
Current reverb-heavy “Americana” influenced rock like My Morning Jacket and Grizzly Bear?
Well, let’s see: you assume, for some reason, that because I don’t like classic rock then I must like Justin Bieber, and then you assume that because I am (presumably) a male that (probably) likes Justin Bieber, that I must have gay fantasies about him. Whether you’re trying to defend classic rock or not, you have to wonder about the underlying rationale there. Nevermind the fact that comments like yours wouldn’t be out of place at a junior high lunch table.
I’m confused. The Pit is for “rants about the outside world,” right? I already said I don’t expect anyone to agree with me, and it’s been established that I was never attempting to state anything other than my opinion. Where is all this “asshole” stuff coming from?
punch line loser, do me a favor (out of curiousity) - go to my youtube channel and look through my favorites. How do you feel about most of the music in there? Give some specific examples. Also feel free to say how you feel about the song right on the main page (Alex Chilton.)
I like Tortoise. The Sea and Cake is a little syrupy for me usually, but they have some great songs. I went through a big post-rock phase in high school, but after Explosions got big the genre kind of collapsed under the weight of its own throbbing brain.
The Red Hot Chili Peppers might be the worst band that ever existed, and I state that opinion without any exaggeration whatsoever. I’ve been revisiting the 90s a lot lately but I’ve never been able to see the Chili Peppers as anything other than absolutely inexcusable fucking garbage. That said, Jane’s had some good singles, Siamese Dream and about half of Mellon Collie are great, if they’re both way too long. Production in the 90s was great, but so many bands were limited to one great single for several albums’ worth of dreck.
Never got MMJ or Grizzly Bear on record, but the latter put on one of the best shows I’ve ever seen, so it’s hard to say. These days there are lot more famous bands that I’d want to see live but that I wouldn’t choose to listen to on record. Plenty of current stuff is cool, but it’s not usually in that style.