What? Evolution is evil sin-stuff from the Evil Scientist Conspiracy, dontchaknow. The way it would go is, Adam and Eve were bacteria (perfect bacteria, created in God’s own image -and now you know how eve could also have been made in God’s own image; they were all sexless), and they went on for a while, and then their descendents were magically turned into dinosaurs by God later (probably at the Tower of Babel incident: lots of types of dino = lots of languages), and then later on we pissed God off more, and then he magically turned us into bald man-apes. Probably at the time of the Flood, since a family of dinosaurs wouldn’t have fit on the ark. (He also probably turned all the animals into gnats for the duration of the trip, so they’d fit in the ark, but that hasn’t been confirmed.)
To my knowledge there has only been one study showing that prayer does not work and many that shows it does.
If you know about the Placebo effect then you know that prayer works. Also positive thinking and belief in an afterlife. It is a spiritual principle that mind can influence matter.
You left out something, God is spirit and created man as spirit as perfect as He.
Now the duelity of the physical is something different. It is a school, a play in which we all have a part. How well are you playing your part?
This kind of post is distasteful to those who believe in God and Jesus. You are insulting them indirectly which is not polite.
An ancient saying:
The thief believes everyone steals
The liar believes everyone lies
and the fool believes everyone foolish
So tell me then, what is the point of the Bible?
Another question, while I’m at it;
We can prove evolution (minus the missing link, o’course). We cannot disprove creation, at least not completely.
With that in mind…
Why can’t both creation AND evolution be true?
Perhaps we were created in order to evolve, and these constructs under which we labor are simply parts of the greater whole.
Just sayin’.
Well I guess since someone said it a long time ago it must be true. No, wait, people were ignorant a long time ago, and their advice might be stupid. :smack:
There isn’t really a missing link. It’s a flawed argument. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transitional_fossil
You can’t disprove zombies either. In fact there is an invisible zombie behind you right now. Don’t reach for him, he’ll just teleport away before you can get him.
Because there is no evidence for creation. And mountains of evidence for evolution.
Creationists don’t believe in evolution, they believe a magic guy in space created the universe with the fossils in place. They believe this even though there is no proof for it. It’s kinda like something a crazy person might do.
Depends on what you mean by creation. If creation involves a god or an alien dropping rna into the ocean a billion years ago, sure, we can’t disprove that, and the history of life would be just the same. If creation involves creating man and animals 6,000 years ago, we can disprove that, absent special pleading and last Thursdayism.
I realize the search still goes on, but it’s not a done deal. I’m not saying we’ll never make the link, but currently, the link is missing, and in fact there may be many more links that we don’t know we don’t know about.
HAHAHAHA!!! You funny! :rolleyes:
I know, I’m just saying that there’s a possibility of creation. I’m not saying that creation is a definate thing, or even that we were created by the giant sky pixie, though it certianly SEEMS like something with a boatload more intelligence than any single human or group of humans have put these puzzle pieces together.
Yes, I know, they’re idiots, but what if THEY are half right and WE are half right?
I mean that a god or alien or some cosmic teenager was experimenting with the special sauce and BOOM, we have ignition, and with ignition comes evolution, and that it happened WAY longer than 6,000 years ago.
I just cant help but buy into the fact that the things we don’t know we don’t know are so much greater than the things we DO know, and that the very lack of knowledge is the precise evidence for both things to be true.
But then, what WOULD we debate about.
No it is not. It is an indictment of the business of religion. Religion IS the problem, faith is the solution, but since faith is free, we need religion to remind us of who people think we’re suppose to be.
An oversimplification.
It’s possible to be a creationist in a very loose sense of the word (i.e. believe that a Creator planned the whole thing out and set it in motion) and fully subscribe to Darwinian evolution.
And it’s possible to be the most literal of Biblical Creationists and still believe that “micro-evolution” occurs (e.g. that bacteria are evolving to become resistant to antibiotics).
Tosh. God did not physically have sex with Mary the way the Zeus-swan did with Leda, and Christians do not believe that Jesus is a demigod. You know all this, of course, and are simply being a joik, which was a big no-no the last time I looked. But I guess you have to get your jollies any which way you can.
Ain’t a question of whether Moses acted perfect but of whether the Law he wrote down was God’s will. Did the Law come from God or out of Moses’s head?
Okay, not the usual definition of creationism, and of course unfalsifiable. My hypothesis is that our universe is the result of some alien grad students dissertation research, and that he had a hell of a time defending it.
“Now why did you make the speed of light so slow? And why did you waste all that space between galaxies? Very inefficient.”
Have you ever seen a swan dragging around a six-incher? Didn’t think so. It was just as miraculous.
But my serious point is that you should consider where the early Christians got the idea of divine parenthood. It was certainly not from the Bible, and not from Jews. It was a very prevalent meme in the surrounding Greek and Roman culture. I’ve even read a comedy written during the time of the Roman Republic centered around Jupiter cuckolding a Greek general. No one - except Jews - who lived then would have thought twice about the divine birth story. I know Jesus is now given complete godhood, but being the child of a god and a human woman makes him a demigod, just like so many other mythical heroes.
From God, to be interpreted by us. Massive amounts of interpretation is required, and most today reject blind obedience even in principle, as the world has changed - no Temple for one thing.
I see. So there’s no such thing as a birth defect or genetically acquired disease. Right.
Sigh. That is not at all what I am saying. What I am saying is this: you have this very naive view of science according to which any rank amateur is *just as qualified * to issue scientific pronouncements as the specialist who has spent years acquiring knowledge and expertise. Thus, you think that you can cast aspersion on the theory of evolution even though 99.999% of people who have specalized training in biology are convinced by the evidence for evolution, whereas you can’t even explain why whales sometimes have feet or why humans have a pseudogene for Vitamin C synthesis. Hell, I’d bet $50 you don’t even know what a pseudogene is.
So I am not claiming that no one has the right to challenge scientists. I’m just saying that you have to *earn * the right to challenge a specialist in his or her own field. If you know nothing about that field, to come in and tell an entire field of specialists that they are full of shit is the height of arrogance. I’m also saying you haven’t earned the right to challenge evolutionary theory, because you haven’t mastered the body of knowledge and evidence that they have. I know that doesn’t seem fair to you–you’re being ‘oppressed’ because you are not allowed to wade into a field about which you know next to nothing and start challenging serious experts left and right–but life isn’t fair. Tough shit.
God is spirit, and we are created in spirit perfect as He is, it has nothing to do with physical life, since you don’t know nor are experienced in spiritual things you wouldn’t understand at all what I am talking about, right!
Otherwise you merely restated what you said before. So I guess it is my job to not question evolution any more. I will be happy to do that as soon as evolutionists quit questioning creation and the spiritual world. Deal?
I am wondering why you think you have the right to judge religion. I am not sure what the rest of your post means.
Well, at least we are coming to some sort of agreement: namely, people shouldn’t arrogate to themselves the right to pass judgment on things they know nothing about. If you don’t know about evolution, don’t judge it. If you don’t know about religion and the spiritual, don’t judge it.