The Ultimate Question for a Creationist?

This was actually my only valid point. The rest was either poorly placed sarcasm or a poorly thought out attempt at logic. Fallacy duely noted and all points within are withdrawn.

For now…

Oh no, not again. Time to dust off the ceremonial silver tanto, dump the begonia out of the copper bowl and let out the waistband on the ol’ silk robe.

“Yog, old buddy, how’ve ya been? Oh, you seem to have something green there on your… er… bubble thingy there. No… wait… that’s just a smaller bubble. Never mind.”

Jim Baker??? Is that you???

I think it’s any church that asks for tithing, actually.

Are you available to be on retainer to rebut message board posts for me? Because your post pretty much sums up intelligently what I was about to try to get across with venom. Thanks. :slight_smile:

Your ideas intrigue me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

The Duckbilled Platypus refutes your evolution along with many other things, but only one white crow is necessary to prove all crows are not black.

Don’t know who J-dizzle be?

As for Christianity, depends on what you call evidence. I could link hundreds of items here, but I won’t. The belief in God is personal, it deals with things like emotions, feelings, and intuition. It is not something you can measure or even know about, the reason is, you can’t know what I experience personally.

I have personally experienced God, I have no doubt at all about it. So have thousands, perhaps millions of other people, who also have no doubt about it. Now you can call that self-delusion or any other choice name, but the truth is simple, you don’t know unless you have experienced it yourself. I wish I could give others the same experience I had, but I can’t. God, the afterlife, and morality give life purpose and meaning that are real. It is great comfort to know I will be able to continue my learning after the death of my body. If you don’t believe any of this fine. Your disbelief will not change my belief in any way. Science does not have anything to offer religion, no purpose in life or meaning. No afterlife, pretty much nothing. That is why if you wish to counter the creationists come up with some real good evidence to do so.

Again another off topic insulting post that assumes you know my motives. I believe in forgiveness and love. I believe in practicing love for my enemies, and love one another. Being a Christian I am sure you believe in it also.

Because for the most part they are whack jobs who embarass themselves, supress free thought and progress and give the reasonably intelligent yet still capable of faith and belief in something much larger and more important than ourselves type of believers a bad name.

Wait, that is a good reason not good evidence.

Never mind, forget I mentioned it.
If you really want creationists to pee their pants, put their hands in a bowl of warm water when they are asleep.

In the interest of fighting ignorance: the claim that the platypus disproves the fact of evolution, or any major competing hypotheses as to the specific mechanics of evolution is flat out false.
Please, anybody reading along with this thread, at least check out the evidence before you allow someone to dupe you.

Well that just shows what a rapscallion you and your ilk… and… wait, what’s that? You admitted error, retracted a fallacy? On the Dope? In Great Debates? Mother of Mercy, I think I need a drink.

No problem, and thanks much.

Wrong. Or do you have a cite for that rubbish?

Wrong. Or do you have a cite for that rubbish?

What’s that? A random meaningless chunk of text?

Some dude what got nailed to a tree a couple thousand years ago. No one of any great importance.

I would consider evidence, evidence. You know, like footprints, dna or semen. Even if it was deposited by a dove in an act of celestial rape.

Thank god. They’d be irrelevant.

No you haven’t. You’ve convinced yourself you have, but you’re lying to yourself.

Sure I do. You’re self delusional.

Prove it.

Science has offered oodles of evidence. You’re too brainwashed by your devotion to your imaginary friend to accept it.

I’m done responding now, sorry, but I had to. I can’t let idiocy of this magnitude go.

Ask them, “Do you think OJ Simpson is guilty? Because all those theories by his lawyers explaining away the evidence were a bunch of obvious bullcrap, weren’t they?”

I have a lengthy essay here that juxtaposes these 2 issues:
http://www.squeakywheelsblog.com/creation

Actually, you did not have to. There is no need to be personally abusive in this Forum.

o not use this sort of personal attack again. We have the Pit for that.

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I believe in it. I have seen no evidence for (and a lot of evidence against) the idea that you truly believe it.

However, you are correct (in this one instance) that correcting your errors is off topic.

Fair enough. I shall try to attack the idea, not the person. And I’m done with that for this one I think.

Great answer.

really enjoyed this post. the quote by the rationalist is excellent.

Great. Best one yet!

Saying someone’s experiences aren’t proof or in any way convincing to you is valid and legitimate. Calling someone delusional about their own personal experiences or saying they are lying to themselves, is just as invalid and unjustified as any other belief accepted as fact by faith. If there’s an implied IMHO then it’s a little more tolerable but as it stands, please take your own words to heart and prove it. You can’t and he can’t. Where does that leave us?

Except that it’s wrong…

I’d like to see one legitimate cite for this.

usually said as there is no objective evidence for a god, this statement is true and those who value truth should acknowledge it as such. Acknowledging this truth allows us to focus on what is more relevant in spirituality.

No, you had a delusional experience which you (and countless millions of others) have interpreted as God.

Don’t believe me? Well, scientists have recently discovered an area of the brain which is tentatively known as The God Spot: