spooje, companies get a lot of good PR for stuff like United Way participation. It gives them a chance to say, “See, we do so care about our community!” whether they do or not.
Robin
Hold on, Monty. An exact quote from the transcript of the voice mail:
So, obviously, the CEO would not accept your suggestion of “if you don’t want to contribute, DON’T!” It’s obvious, also, that the CEO is hellbent on a 100% participation rate, from his other comments on the voicemail. United Way’s own policy (see here) discourages the “practice of seeking 100 percent participation in a campaign, as that may inadvertently encourage coercion.” (from the website)
I deal with United Way from both sides of the equation. Our university’s community outreach program receives United Way funding. Our university also has a United Way fund drive from its employees. Did we send around voice mails saying that “there was no good excuse not to participate?” Did we seek a 100% participation rate? No, because, as we are fundraisers ourselves, we know that those practices fall under the category of coercive behavior.
I must ask, Monty: What is your background in fundraising? Which professional fundraising organizations do you belong to? I can’t think of any fundraising body which would accept that the CEO’s voicemail was not coercive.
Did I fucking say the CEO’s voicemail wasn’t coercive, asshole?
Agreed. Not only would Mancow’s head explode and he’d go on and on about how unethical the United Way is, thus getting the word out, I bet he would be deluged with letters and emails from other people whose employers push the UW on them, too.
Woohoo! Monty’s PMSing again!
Go to hell, you worthless insane bitch.
Holy shit Monty. Maybe you should unplug for awhile. You seem to be in a perpetual meltdown lately.
Stress much? 
Monty, I’ve been meaning to ask you for quite a while: what in your Mormon Christian theology or philosophy allows you to tell people to “go to hell”? Is this a standard, acceptable curse in your theology, or is it a weakness on your part alone that you type those words so often?
Knowing that you are a Christian, I cringe a little (okay, a lot) every time I see you tell someone to go to hell. I wonder, do you really mean it? If you had the power to zap people into hell, would you use it?
As a Christian myself I really hesitate to publicly point out any perceived failing on the part of another Christian. But this “go to hell” business is really over the top. Please consider your words more carefully.
Naw, Chadeleur, it’s ok - it’s actully pretty funny.
I used to stay over at my grandparents a lot when I was little, and one of the many “Little Golden Books” they had was of Rumplestiltzken. Whenever Monty goes on a tear like this I have this picture in my head of a pathetic little red-faced man stomping his foot til he goes through the floor, just like Ol’ Rumple. It always gives me a giggle.
As for the CFC, Ol’ Rump…I mean, Monty can bring out all the official military directives he can lay his hands on, but I was still harrassed for two weeks by my LPO and DivOff at my first command about donating until I flat out told my LPO that I wouldn’t contribute to the CFC precisely because of the pressure they were putting on me. My LPO eventually put in a dollar in my name in order to reach that mission-critical 100% goal.
Ol’ Rumple is now going to call me a liar. Why? I don’t know; after all, He. Wasn’t. There. I was, and I remember how frightening it was to have an O-2 and an E-7 on my boot ass about a fucking dollar. But it happened, and no matter how much Ol’ Rumple stomps his foot that fact is not going to away.
Nowhere did I say I’m a great Mormon, masonite, so you can shove that comment.
Chique is a rabid boardstalker and is full of crap from day one.
Oh, and Chandeleur, is that your only comment about my proof of your lies in this thread?
Fair enough, Monty; nobody’s perfect. We’re all just muddling through. I hope you agree with my point, however, that “go to hell” is a pretty seriously horrendous thing for any Christian to say, ever. Not that I haven’t said worse myself from time to time. Peace.
Ya know, Monty, I may not be Chandeleur, but having been a victim of your style of argument, I’m going to go ahead and say it.
Just because you’ve got binders and binders of official personnel policies and the UCMJ and everything else doesn’t make him (or me, or chique, or anyone else) a liar. There are many, many things that go on in a command each day that are against the UCMJ or the personnel policies you claim are gospel truth. Once again, you weren’t there. You have no proof that his story is false except for the feeling that it should be. Therefore, since you think it’s false, it is.
I suggest you get some Preparation H or un-knot your panties or take a Valium or something, because this schtik has gotten old.
Robin
I do not have rabies. Your post is full of lies.
Yup. Do do anything otherwise, would be wasting keystrokes, frankly. I hope this doesn’t hurt your feelings any, but it’s not as if I’m sitting here thinking to myself, “Oh no! Some narrow minded idiot on an internet discussion board thinks I’m a liar! What am I going to do? WHAT AM I GOING TO DO?!?”
You think I’m lying? Fine. I’m pretty sure I won’t lose any sleep over it. Here’s some advice: Get over yourself. If you honestly believe at this point in your life that no disparity exists between published word and reality, then that just speaks to your naivete.
LOL 
Ok, I’m sorry - that was childish. Tell me, Monty - which part of that last post is full of crap? I didn’t spend time at my grandparents as a child, they didn’t have Little Golden Books, they didn’t have a Little Golden Book entitled Rumplestiltzken, or you don’t remind me of Rumplestiltzken when you throw a tantrum?
Because each of those statements are as true as the bits about the CFC.
Holy crap, talk about overreacting. Let’s just step back away from the keyboard for a day, shall we? I’ll get back to you then.
In the meantime, just chill, OK?
Actually, Duke, I don’t want him to step back from the keyboard. He’s laid several charges on me and I want him to come back and defend those charges.
Otherwise I’ll have to conclude that he is, y’know, a liar.
Wow, I see this thread headed for the pit…
Oh. Wait.
Guess what.
Our company DIDN’T get 100% participation.
Go figure!