the local news did a story on the local united way here in charlotte. the lady in charge makes big time $$$ and gets to drive a lexus…paid for by the donations.
Wow. Talk about making a mountain out of molehill.
I’ll admit to poor choice of words or phrasing, but that’s about it. Had I known that my post was to be scrutinized by an irrational lunatic, perhaps I would have given every word more thought. I should have said “I’ve heard liberty was delayed…” or some such words, but I didn’t. Oh well. But equating that to “blatant falsehoods, bullshit, obviously incorrect, bald-faced misrepresentations…” is just way over the top - even for you.
At first I was puzzled by your reaction, but as other posters have pointed out, this just seems to be your modus operandi as of late. Seriously, you need to unplug for awhile.
But while we’re here, what else am I lying about? To be honest, I don’t really know what you’re so goofy over. Are you saying that in the Coast Guard, we don’t call the mustering of the whole crew “Officer’s Call”? Do you not believe that I was pressured by my XO into donating? Do you not believe that it was a common problem in the Coast Guard? Or am I even in the Coast Guard? Did I just make that up, too? Are you even reading this post - or is it just some big “LIE” in order to make you even more insane?
Seriously, so you think I made it all up. Why? Why would I? Are you seriously suggesting that because you never had a similiar issue at any of your commands, that it doesn’t occur? That’s so laughable I don’t even know where to begin pointing out the error of that logic. Do you think I’m lying because those actions are a violation of the UCMJ? I hope, for your sake, that you don’t hold that position. It would demonstrate beyond any doubt your disconnect with reality.
I think the truth is closer to this: you saw an opportunity in a poorly worded post that had to do with the service, and went into full jerk mode. Made a mountain out of a molehill in order to “impress” anyone listening with your knowledge of the regs. It’s just too bad that reality doesn’t figure into your black and white world. You’re just being ass, plain and simple.
GrizzRich, my apologies for the continued hijack.
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. You are a liar. Because liars lie. Yes, and yes, of course.
Oh, sorry, I thought you were asking ME those questions. Carry on.
elf6c, thank you for the links and the quotes. That is also the reason I will not donate to the United Way, and I’m happy I haven’t been pressured to do so. I’d prefer to donate my money to organizations where the bulk of it will go to the people its trying to help rather than the people who are running it.
CJ
The United Way sucks monkey asses. Their misuse of funds is widely known. Also, I’d rather give directily to whatever charity I want to give to. Even if UW were run as efficiently as possible (and I know it’s not), there would still, by necessity, be overhead involved. So, even if I get to hand-pick which chartiy my donation goes to, UW gets its cut off the top, right? Why don’t I just skip that part, and go directly to the charity of my choice? Sounds reasonable to me.
Grizz too bad you couldn’t get that voicemail to a local news station or something. Hope now that it’s all over the CEO doesn’t come down hard on you or something. Those tactics suck.
Monty, for heavens’ sake, take a chill pill.
No, paid for by her salary, which are paid by the donations (unless there’s some funny business going on, or if it’s a company car - could you be more specific?).
While I hate the UW as much as the next guy, I’m constantly amazed at how opposed people are to the fact that people in the non-profit world who do their job very well get paid a handsome salary. Would you rather run that person off with a lower salary only to be replaced by an inferior business manager? Well run organizations cost money to operate - and they cost more to operate when you have excellent employees on your payroll. There’s nothing fundamentally “uncharitable” about that. Compare those salaries to a commensurate position in the for-profit sector, and you’re going to see a gigantic difference.
a honda accord works just as well as a lexus.
company car. I hear honda accords work just fine.
Yes, I’m sure they do. Any indication of whether or not the Lexus dealership donated the car? Or offered a large cost reduction? Or if the car was donated by a third party? Or if UW was paying for what an Accord would cost, and the director was paying the difference?
I donated a Lexus to UW through work, and I specifically indicated the car was to be driven only by underprivileged children. Those bastards!
Kind of hard to generate donations at a presentation when your representative shows up driving an Obscenely expensive luxury sedan that no one in the target audience can afford to drive. Why not just dress your rep in $10,000 Armani Suits with a Rolex and (2) 10-carat pinky-rings? Then again maybe your market research shows that this works. :wally
It is? Got any evidence on that, I’d love to see it. Please define “target audience”, and tell me why you think major donations are generated through “presentations”. Also, please tell me what you think the difference between “the lady in charge” and a “development officer” is.
Then again, I have the distinct feeling you have no idea what you’re talking about, with little to no experience or knowledge of the non-profit sector.
I have given numerous possibilities of how the UW could afford to have a Lexus as the company car for their CEO (who is not, by the way, their Director of Development). The possibility certainly exists that the UW also just spent the coin to pay for a Lexus. In that case, I would certainly agree that that’s over-the-top. But if the car was donated or discounted, I certainly wouldn’t turn it down if I was the UW.
Feel free to shove that :wally up your ass, dickwad.
Tell them you won’t contribute unless that ass of a CEO acutally learns to communicate properly - he’s worse than our great friend Bush in being absolutely impossible to understand!
Knob.
Lil
PS Being a brit, I have never heard of this kind of ‘compulsory donating’ in my life!!! Is it common in the US?
Boo, if a UW worker can afford a Lexus on her/his salary (and possibly other sources of income in the family), then why should s/he drive a Honda Accord? The post was very UNclear about whom was paying for and owned the Lexus, and local news is notorious for leaving out unpleasant facts that get in the way of their righteousness.
On the other hand, it will be a cold day in Hell (and I don’t believe in Hell, so that day will never come) before I give UW so much as a penny of my salary.
company car = paid for by the company.
the company = United Way
That’s wonderful. But not what I’m asking. If you could try to be a little more specific, that would be incredibly helpful to this discussion.
Just to throw in my measly two cents…I work for a not-for-profit, and we get a little money thrown our way from the United Way, from people who choose to give to our company through the United Way.
On the stub, it tells you how much they donated and how much you get.
So, for example, the last stub I got in was for $100. This means the person allocated $100.
The check was for $76.
So, $24 of the money stayed at United Way. And this happens all the time. I guess they need to survive too, but if you genuinely want to give all of your $$$ to one charity or other, don’t use United Way!
The minute my memories of what I’ve personally witnessed re: UW being touted at prior employers become down-loadable, I’ll let you know.
Most people would find needing a term like ‘target audience’ defined for them condescending. I’ll post my definition under protest to answer your question …but remember: You Asked For It:
The Target Audience of any given presentation are the individuals in the total audience who are most likely to use ( likelihood being forecast by prior statistical data) the product or service being presented. In the Specific Instance of a charity, the target audience would be the people most likely to donate.
In layman’s terms, are you aware that UW still sends agents/presenters to some firms running fundraising drives? Are you aware that one of the UW fundraising techniques in some firms [that I have personally observed] is to call employees down from their cubicles in groups of say 20 to a large conference room for a short speech and video presentation? Pledge cards, that had been left on the seats are then collected at the door by both that person and an HR person who basically blocks your exit until you fill something out on the card (even if it’s a penny a week). Do you know that those presenters [and I’ve personally witnessed (2) ] sometimes drive to the building sites? In 1996, the UW presenter, who was female, parked a Mercedes Benz in front of the building I was then working in. While I was in the session, Joe, a co-worker from my department who was sitting next to me, turned to me and said “Does this idiot really expect working stiffs to donate money to someone who drives up in a ‘Benz? If she wants money, she can sell the damn car.” He made a point and I remember donating nothing that year (I inked in ‘zero’ and stuck the card in the middle of the pile).
Cite where I refer to either in my post first. Re-read it as often as is necessary. We’ll wait.
My knowledge is from my years of experience with UW donation requests on the payee level. I’ve never worked for UW. If you are implying that only people who’ve worked in grift…err umm charities have valid points of view about the donation process, I think you’ll swiftly find your opinion to be in the minority.
You have. And I’ve given an example of how workers (myself included) won’t donate to charities whose spokes people lord expensive luxury items over us while simultaneously asking for donations/money.
Pull your head out of your ass, Read for comprehension, and Fucking Think before you post.
quietman, your arrogance is disgusting.
Are you trying to tell me that you rule out a charity because someone that works for them drives a fancy car?!? Donors certainly have the freedom to choose who they give their money to, but I find that attitude short-sighted at best. Maybe the car was donated. Maybe the person’s spouse is incredibly rich. Maybe the person used to work for Fortune 500 company and quit their job to work in the non-profit sector. Maybe the BMW/Lexus dealer has given them use of the car.
Seriously, just because someone works for a charity, doesn’t mean they’re obligated to live a life equally commensurate with the lives of those they serve. Is it unreasonable for someone who works at a homeless center to live in a house instead of a cheaper apartment? I’d hate for people to think they’re “lording” their house over their guests… :rolleyes:
In non-layman’s terms, are you aware that over 80% of donations are generated from private solicitations (usually through an individual contact or dinner) on the charity’s dime?
Nope. That idiot really expected working stiffs to donate money to an organization whose charitable mission is being communicated by someone who drives up in a 'Benz. You realize that you’re not actually giving that person the money, don’t you?
Sorry, that was unclear. There is a distinct difference between “the lady in charge” in Boo’s example, and the development officer that travels to various companies giving presentations. Sometimes the CEO will make those visits, but only extremely rarely.
No, I’m implying that you seem to have very little insight to the entire donation cycle, or where the majority of donation dollars come from. Your insistence and constant mentioning of these presentations lends evidence to that fact.
Gosh, if by “driving to a presentation” means “lording over”, you have some serious self-confidence issues you should really try to work out before crapping them all over these boards.
And again, I’m not defending the United Way. They won’t get a dime of my support. They’re an evil organization that cripple the organizations they try to support. I’m just tired of people who suggest that a spartan lifestyle is the only possible choice for those who choose to spend their life working in a fufulling career.
Munch, your feigned ignorance is really quite tedious.
What I told you is, if your asking me for money, you damn well better not drive up in a Mercedes-Benz. I also know for a fact that I’m not alone in this opinion. What about this statement isn’t clear? Once again, Read For Comprehension.
…and umm maybe someone’s grasping at straws?
(bolding mine)
BTW, exactly what makes you think that the donations collected by that company that I described in my post are Not counted in this 80% under ‘individual contact’?
I realize that they expect me to give money to a charity that takes its expenses out of monies raised prior to transferring them to the entities that need it. Who would donate to a charity that doesn’t minimize its overhead costs or take steps to avoid the appearance of impropriety?
“Hi, American Airlines? I’m cancelling that guilt trip. Yeah, I got a back-bone for Christmas. Buh-Bye.”