The Walking Dead; 1.04 "Vatos" (open spoilers)

No spoilers in the OP. Please use spoiler tags for stuff from the comics that hasn’t yet been shown or contradicted on TV. Do not for spoiler tags used for what’s been aired.

I can’t wait!

Last week’s preview showed them running into some kind of gang. They’re probably going to have the newly acquired guns taken. I really hope crazy Merle isn’t among them.

We’ve already seen socialpaths aleady, I hope they do something different with this gang other than “they’re all crazy and will do anything to try to survive including trying to kill the heroes for some reason”

Oh, that was fucking awesome!! The “gang” turns out be nursing home staff & their family, and they finally pay the price for acting like they’re on an extended camping vacation. I was expecting zombies to show up, but not that level of slaughter. :slight_smile:

Great episode, It started slowly, but just kept building towards that jaw-dropping ending…

I like the fact that they had been building up the “Vatos” as the “Baddies of the week”, and it turns out they were simply protecting their group of survivors and were no more “bad” than our survivors

I loved how Dale used Merle’s hand to intimidate wannabe-Vato

Looks like Merle is going to be a constant threat for the last two episodes, I’m guessing he loosed that “stagger” of zombies on the camp, assuming he hasn’t been infected and/or zombified himself already…

Oh and the attack on the camp, a positively white-knuckle experience, haven’t seen such a gripping scene in broadcast TV since BSG (The Adama Maneuver and Dee offing herself)

I predicted crazy-digger-guy was digging graves for victims of the upcoming Zombie attack as soon as I saw him obsessively digging

So, we have at least three infected survivors in the camp, i’m sorry, but if I was in charge of security in the camp, bitten survivors would be classed as zombies and put down as humanely and with a minimum of suffering as possible, can’t have them reanimating on us now, can we

Glenn to Darryl: “Your crossbow is quieter than his gun.”

Uh… have these folks actually HEARD a modern crossbow recently??? They’re LOUD.

Though honestly, I’m not sure that they ARE quite as loud as a gun. But they’re not as quiet as a long bow by ANY means.

Did not see that coming. Wow.

Solid episode.

Regarding camp security…one would think that they would have been a little more vigilant (even with reduced numbers) at night given the fact that random zombies had started to make their way into the camp (previous episode).

Yeah, sentries would have been a good idea - I don’t think they’ll make THAT mistake again.

Bitten survivors and bitten dead all have to have their brains destroyed, don’t they?

Much better character development than in the last two episodes, and the Zombie attack on the camp was indeed truly horrific.

I distinctly remember in one of the earlier episodes, someone string up tin cans on a wire as a sort of perimeter alarm. Er, guess they didn’t cover the entire length.

Anyway, one would also have thought that there would be at least a lookout for the people who had gone into the city, if nothing else.

From next weeks previews/spoilers it appears as if they make a funeral pyre for Ed and Amy. I would think that cremation would overtake and trump burial as the preferred “burial” of bodies in any zombieland or plague infested world.

Yeah, these people are idiots. They completely left their guard down. At least now they’ll be more carefull and get the fuck away from Atlanta! I enjoyed the change in dynamics between Carol and Ed. I’m guessing he hasn’t been beaten like that since childhood before. Carol just leaving him in the tent to sulk and taking her daughter to the fish-fry against his wishes was a nice touch. It’s a very minor thing, but it’s not something she would’ve done before. Kinda felt sorry for him when he got eaten alive.

It makes sense for health authorities to do on a large scale or if they wanted to clean up the area, but they’re better off just packing up and leaving the bodies to rot. It’s a waste of precious fuel. I can understand why they would to give proper burials to the fallen from their group; I could even excuse them quickly burying them and leaving the zombies to rot, but I really hope they don’t waste time trying to give them all burials.

There’s a reason why crematoriums exist. You need high temps to incinerate a human body fully. I read an account of an open air cremation done on private land, and it took the better part of two days of constant fire-tending, and one presumes, an enormous amount of fuel. Aren’t they supposed to be worried about fires showing on the hill and attracting walkers and/or baddies?

Well, from the famous title shot of Mr. Grimes riding into Atlanta on a horse along an apocalyptic freeway? (I-75 maybe)… everybody trying to get out in the south lane…
a clear progress into the city. There were many fires and smoke plumes in apocalypse. It would seem that fires and a constantly spreading and burning city would be accurate. There doesn’t seem to be much realistic out of control burning down the house fire in this series.

Maybe even in a zombie land, plague, apocalypse, walking dead world… the new paradigm would become to bury the braindead zombies and cremate your dead loved ones and heroes. A clear seperation of death.

Well, to be fair that’s only a problem if they’re stupid enough not to hit the road. Cremation is still a dumb idea for all the reasons you pointed out. Any gas they siphon is better used powering their vehicles.

You know the nursing home raises a big issue that went unaddressed; does every dead body reanimate (like in the Living Dead films) or does one need to be bitten (like in the Dawn remake or World War Z). The way the civilization as we know it’s been implied to collapse is consistent with the first scenario.* If this is the case than a bunch of elderly people who need nursing home care are pretty much the last people I’d want to be around.

It’s Atlanta, in the summer, with no AC, electricity, probally no running water, and limited medical supplies. :eek: I understand why they’d want to protect them (especially since many of the younger people seem to be related), but seniors would be dropping like flies. They’d all have to be carefully monitored, especially at night while sleeping, by someone standing by with a firearm (or bat/ax/battery power drill/etc). Without power they can’t even use those vital sign monitors that attach to the patients.

*Comic spoiler.The Comic also followed Romero’s rules, but it took awhile for the characters to realize it.

I’m still dissatisfied with some of the hackneyed acting and stilted dialogue, such as Dale’s odd line readings and Andrea’s “You can’t give a gift unwrapped.” It was meant to create sympathy for Andrea and Amy, but it made me want to slap her.

It seems to me they’re leaving it unaddressed on purpose. The characters we’ve met so far don’t seem to know.

Well, that is a bit stilted. You don’t need to burn the bodies to complete ash… only until they are unviable… there are half bodies and heads stilll moving around but Merle’s hand is still inanimate. They cremate bodies everyday along the ganges in a day.

A bullet or something sharp through the skull into the brain renders them “unviable”. There’s no need to take the added step of burning them, a mass grave would be sufficiant. And neither makes any sense if you’re abandoning the area and moving on. They need to cut their losses & run. They were way to close to the city; especially since they were basically living outsidewithout even a fence surrounding them.

I mean, I am almost laughing at myself and the writers… this episode is the classic camping,“Man with the Golden Hand” story that my Dad used to tell us kids around the campfire late at night and keep us in petrified suspense. Merle’s headed back to camp with revenge in mind and they have his golden hand. Pretty clever, pretty good story…