The Walking Dead; 1.04 "Vatos" (open spoilers)

This is turning out to be a terrific show. Great character development and very interesting “survival” situations. I hate zombies, but I thought the attack at the end was great. I can’t believe I’m liking it.

So, blonde chick is now a zombie? As someone mentioned above, I like the fact that they aren’t explaining things, and that we’re sort of learning as we go, just as the survivors are.

Did they say there are only 2 or 3 episodes left? That seems like a ridiculous short run, but maybe they were just being cautious.

I was glad to see their camp raided, ever since it made it’s first appearance I’ve been amazed at the stupidity of them setting up there. Tents? Really? You’re living in fucking tents that provide no protection at all from zombies but do trap you in case you’re attacked, and then you set them up in a wooded area so you can’t see what’s coming. Brilliant. I hope you all get eaten and the show focuses on the Vatos gang instead. They’ve already proven themselves way more competent than you simply by choosing to live in something that a zombie can’t just bite through.

I’m also hoping the hole digging guy had something to do with drawing the zombies back to the camp, I’m not going to be too thrilled if they start throwing psychic powers into the mix.

Overall though, despite whatever gripes I have, I’m loving the series. It’s too bad there are only 2 shows left in the season, it’s going to be a long wait for season 2.

She will be, soon enough. I wasn’t sure if she was already dead before the credits rolled, but once she dies, she’ll be coming back as a flesh-eating ghoul.

2 left to season 1. Season 2 has been ordered - 13 episodes. Not known when that will air.

Why should it have to be either? It seems pretty logical that thoughts like that would be running through all their minds.

Let’s think this gun thing through:

Guns and ammo might actually be kind of hard to locate. You gotta figure there was a run on guns when the zombie apocalypse broke out, so stores probably won’t have them.

Maybe the abandoned cars might contain some, but probably not. You figure the occupants grabbed any guns when they abandoned the vehicles.

There are probably some guns lying around where they were dropped by their owners during overwhelming zombie attacks, but those will have been out in the weather for weeks, and besides, there may be no ammo.

That leaves you with searching residences for guns, which is a dangerous prospect, not just because of zombies, but because gun owners might still be alive and barricaded in their homes. Breaking into a home could get you shot.

If I were a bettin’ lady, I’de say Merle intentionally brought the zombies back with him, maybe even in the van, to get vengeance on the camp people. He’s a little pissed over having to cauterize his stump with a non-stick frying pan.

I also was bothered by the concept that guns are so scarce. Just don’t buy it.

And they walked back when they were worried about Merle wreaking vengeance on the camp? Parking garages and impound lots should be a good source of cars with gas.

Sleeping in the country in tents made sense at first when I thought they were way out in the boonies, but not when they are just a couple of miles from downtown.

If the vatos are such good folk, why did they kidnap Glen? Sudden about-face didn’t work for me.

All that said, the zombie attack was thrilling and unexpected. Hopefully now they’ll think to build a fence around the camp?!?

That was one of my first thoughts too.

Pressure, panic, ill-thought-out reactions. I gathered that the Vatos were originally a street gang who somehow came to accept Guillermo as their leader. They might be good guys now, but they probably still have many of the habits of gangbangers. In any case, it turned out to be beneficial to have a hostage to trade for their own hostage and the guns.

The first is only useful if you know how to hotwire a car. That’s not knowledge we are born with.

The second is useful only if you know where an impound lot is located. I live in Atlanta, and I don’t know where any impound lots are located.

The same reason Rick and company were willing to blow the brains out of the various Vatos to get him back - ‘not one of ours’ == ‘potential hostile’; ‘potential hostile’ + ‘actual overt hostile act’ (which both sides made) == ‘yep, bad guys’. That it was all a misunderstanding due to overly-honed self-defence instincts (and Daryl being an overly-aggressive prick) doesn’t change that both sides had good reason to view the other as baddies. It’s a miracle neither side jumped the gun and put a quarrel/bullet in somebody’s head before they could talk about what was actually happening.

I had gotten the impression that they had had bad experiences with other groups which made them no longer trust anyone until proven otherwise.

I don’t think most of them were even actual gangbangers to begin with. They’re support staff for the nursing home. Any actual gangbangers would be either boyfriends of the staff or relatives of the residents. Even then there’s no reason to think they’re all from the same gang. Guillelrmo get’s acclaimed the leader because as a custodian he knew the most about the physical plant.

Only two of them – Guillermo’s the custodian and Felipe(?) is a nurse’s aide or something like that.

No, that is not what I am concerned about, I’m talking about casual smearing of supposedly bio-hazardous zombie brains, blood, and guts on his jeans… It’s contamination. If the zombie bug is communicable, this is stupid and he will most surely get infected.

Yeah, that would be a problem. But we still don’t really know what the communicable factors are. At this point, I’m willing to believe the contradictory information and actions we’ve seen from the characters so far are results of their own confusion - though I would like to see a resolution of at least some of that confusion at some point (which might not be until next season, given there’s only two left in this one).

Well next episode does involve them going into Atlanta again, this time to the CDC. I’m sure it’s abandoned, but it does have one of the few Biosafety Level 4 labs in the country so some kind of research into the plague was probally going on. I doubt it has the facilities to handle “live” specimans though.

Actually I believe the reason he really wanted to go back was not the gun or Merle but because he needed the radio in the gun bag.

Which they did just three episodes ago. Or go find a car dealership

I’m fine with guns apparently being scarce (even to a tribe that has been scavenging for weeks in a city that was apparently a last major resistance point for the U.S. Army) and cars being oddly inoperable. I’ll just take it as one of the odd rules of this universe. No odder or harder to accept than zombies being a lifeform that can apparently survive indefinitely without an energy source.

Just so long as they remain true to this rule. If all of a sudden cars are an available option whenever it is the only way out of a situation or a stray gun pops up randomly whenever one is needed.

Ah, the CDC - awesome. I’d like to see some interesting developments come out of that.

The show needs to keep the rule of science fiction in mind - you can make one big leap and expect your audience to buy it, but the rest has to stay internally consistent after that. The big leap here of course is that dead people resurrect as ravenous flesh-eating zombies. The rest has to either be explained or dealt with in some way.

I liked that they started the episode by trying to explain away why Merle would’ve sawn his own hand off instead of the cuffs. :smiley:

I thought Daryl (not Dale!) was unfairly treated in this episode. A boy appears, Daryl points a crossbow at him - fair enough, it’s not a situation where trust comes easily - and then when the boy repeatedly shouts out, which would have attracted zombies, Daryl shuts him up - he didn’t beat him up at all, just tried to hold him down and stop him shouting.

Then he shoots Felipe - but Felipe was kidnapping Glen at the time, and he only shot him in the butt.

Then it was Daryl who got the boy to talk by using his brother’s hand as a prop for a threat. It was just an act, and Rick and the others know that, but they act like he would really do it, even though he calmed down pretty quickly and stopped fighting when told that they’d handcuffed his brother to a roof and left him to die, which news would make anyone get a little angry.

Basically, Daryl did everything right but was made out to be a villain.

The Vatos were great - a clever turnaround. It’s also a pleasure to see characters coping with the end of the world by remaining good people.

The zombie attack was horrifying, and poor little Amy. :frowning: Shame about those other characters who got bitten too, even though I don’t remember seeing any of them (except Ed) before - they may as well have been wearing red shirts.

I don’t think Daryl was made out as a villain at all. He was shown working more or less smoothly with Rick, Glenn, and the others.