The West Wing

I was talking with a few friends the other night and we got to discussing the TV show The West Wing. We are all liberals to varying degrees, and one of us got to wondering if we would still like the show as much if it were written from a conservative point of view.

So my question is to you conservatives out there – is the politics of the show enough to keep you watching Drew Carey, or can you put that aside and still appreciate the characters and dialogue the way we bleeding hearts can?

And for those few of you who will bring it up, yes, we do know that it’s fiction.

My husband and I watch the West Wing every week. And you know what? We’re Canadians. We have no business whatsoever watching this show. But we can’t stop!

I’m not a very political person, but what I do find happening over and over again is that something on that show will spark a debate between my husband and I. (Not an argument or fight - a debate, in which we exchange ideas and opinions in order to, well, fight ignorance). Good brain exercise.

In any case, I think that even if your politics were the opposite of what is shown here, this show is still to be very appreciated, as one of the (few) intelligent shows on TV.

PS, Who do you think got shot in the season finale?

I watched it for the first time tonight. (well, the second half) I thought it was very well written and well acted. I loved it.

It will, of course, be cancelled.

My husband and I faithfully watch The West Wing every week. I would classify us as conservative but we still think it’s the smartest show on television right now. I like every character and appreciate the way they have developed each character over the course of the first season. Perhaps part of the reason I have enjoyed the show is that it’s not just about the politics of the White House. They also show the personal relationships between the staff members.

The only one that I haven’t really understood (yes, I too realize it’s a tv show) is Mandy. Every character, except Mandy, is clearly defined as well as their part in the White House. I’m actually hoping that she was killed in the season finale.

Aaron Storkin is a God. Sports Night was (is? Did it get cancelled?) the best thing on TV by far. As is, I am quite content with The West Wing. But I’m a flaminggodammedliberal, so I might be biased. Where’s Mully?

Swiddles, Sports Night is no more. HBO didn’t pick it up, and Sorkin won’t do it for any other network.

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Ah well, I love West Wing, so I can still watch SOMETHING. Of course, since I have now said this, the show will be cancelled, since I am the kiss of death for television shows. (My resume: Due South, Homicide, Magnificent Seven, Sentinel, Star Trek: DS9, Sports Night, and X-Files really started to SUCK after I started watching.)

AHHHH!!! I LOVED Sports Night. Pretty people being neurotic, my kind of show. Feh. Hey, Falc: at what point was Due South * good? i[/] :smiley: And Sports Night was good until the ::sniff:: bitter end. Blasphemy!

HEY!!! Do NOT insult the mountie! :slight_smile:

I loved that show! Especially 3rd season…sigh The mountie, plus “the Chicago flatfoot with experimental hair.” Hmm…now I need to go find my tapes…

I didn’t know Aaron Sorkin also wrote Sports Night. Wow. Both shows are wonderfully written. I didn’t know Sports Night was cancelled either. That’s a real crap sandwich. So I’m left with ‘Baywatch’ re-runs on 3 channels and ‘Saved By the Bell’ spin-offs on the other 4.

I really should learn how to read.

I love the West Wing, too. But I thought it was written with a liberal bias! Just goes to show ya, it’s all relative.

I’m a conservative, and a big fan of WW.

Yes, the story lines (particularly the major one of each episode) typically make me roll my eyes or shake my head, because it’s usually, “What left wing political agenda item can we push this week?”

I also don’t like the underlying sentiment in the show that portrays liberals as good guys trying to overcome the obstacles placed in their way or right the wrongs committed by the evil Republicans.

All that said, however, the excellent writing and ensemble cast make it one of the most I-can’t-wait-till-next-week shows on TV right now.

Remember when NBC Thursday was “Must See TV?” It’s gotta be NBC Wednesdays now. WW followed by Law & Order. How could life get any better?

“The West Wing” is an excellent show and I believe the main reason it has a liberal bias is that the main character, President Bartlett, is a Democrat just like our current President Clinton. If the show is on long enough they will eventually have no choice but to do a Republican administration if only for the new story lines it will allow.
BTW, I suspect that the reason someone was shot in the season ending cliff-hanger was so NBC can use this as leverage against anyone who won’t sign a contract extension now that the show is a hit. That is, if you won’t sign the extension unless they pay you a million dollars an episode, then it’s you that is killed by that shot. If everyone signs on then the shot was not fatal. My severe cynicism has been well documented on this board, if someone who actully knows how TV works could enlighten us, please do…

Rex, actually, I remember reading somewhere that Moira Kelly wasn’t happy with the small amount of character development she was getting, so she’s leaving. Based on that, I’d say they shot someone, that someone being Mandy, to get her off the show.

Swiddles, how did Sports Night end? I loved that damned show, but have been nowhere near prime-time television in some time. I can feel my pop-culture gland atrophying…

I love West Wing. And, politically, I’m to the right-ish of center, so I’m gonna give your Q a shot. (I also love Sports Night, but I’ll get to that later.)

I should also add that, being in the TV biz, I try to be extra aware of writing, structure, pacing, character development, etc.

Here’s what offends me about WW: They constantly employ a plot gimmick in which “our heros” are pitted against foils who appear worthy and dangerous, but are ultimately exposed to be ignorant frauds; naturally these foils are usually the administration’s right-leaning opponents.

Two examples come to mind:

  1. The scene: a White House summit between “our [lesser] heros” – Prez Bartlett is not present – and some Bible-thumpin’ fundamentalists who appear to have the administration over a barrel because of some indiscretion. The action: much chatter in which the “First Commandment” is misquoted liberally by the B-thumpers. Climax: in struts Prez B. who throws the Scriptures back in the fundamentalists’ faces by quoting the CORRECT 1stC (“I am the Lord your God…”). Oh how foolish and hypocritical those religious nuts looked!

  2. The scene: another White House summit between “our [lesser] heros” and a group of three resistant Congressmen; one includes a new, African-American, replacement representative who is really a Social Studies teacher back home. The action: much chatter about the constitutional requirements of census-taking (the Congressmen’s inaccurate counting vs. our hero’s accurate sampling). Climax: Our heros win over the new guy by reminding him that if we held to the original text of the Constitution, he, as a black man, would not even be counted as a whole person! As a Social Studies teacher he, of course, knows this and appreciates its deeper meaning; but those two stupid other throw-back Congressmen sit there with “duuh… wud do ya’ mean, not a whole person?” looks on their faces throughout.

Now, do the writers REALLY think that even the lamest Bible fanatic doesn’t know the First Commandment? It’s probably the ONLY thing he knows! Or that two Congressmen never read the friggin’ Constitution of the United States? Come on!

I hate when they pull that stunt.

BONUS OPINION:

Now, here’s my problem with Sports Night: All the characters talk the same. Watch while I make something up (see, I can write for SN, too):

A: They never get it right.
B: They never get what right?
A: My sandwich. They never get my sandwich right.
B: They never get your sandwich right, as in the KIND of sandwich, or they never get your sandwich right as in THE WAY THEY MAKE your sandwich… in which case they did get it HALF right because they got the KIND of sandwich right.
A: Well even if it’s HALF right, it’s still not right. I mean can anything REALLY be HALF right?
B: Maybe not. But it can be HALF wrong. And what does that make the other half?
A: I don’t know, but they still never get my sandwich right.

Okay viewers, who (could have) said the above dialogue?

The answer is ANYBODY! (EVERYBODY is also acceptable.)

They ALL talk in that rapid-fire, chatterbox, back-and-forth way which makes the show fun, but oh so unrealistic.