"There is no God" is an opinion, not a fact.

I somehow missed this:

No, It was nutty to expect to dictate to others how they will view you. A bit of advice: don’t be bothered if people view you as an asshole. Because you cannot stop them from seeing you that way as long as you insist on using words that you know they consider insulting.

Keep your wonderings to yourself. When you have some facts, you may have something to add.

But can you be totally honest and answer the question? And why did you call me a fucker?

When have I dictated anything? And I don’t think it’s necessary to view the term “delusional” as insulting if one can appreciate its applicability. I don’t actually know that all people of faith regard that assessment as insulting, especially if they are thoughtful about what I’m saying.

You seem to not like the idea that people will view you as an asshole. You seem to argue that they should not view you as an asshole. I say that you should have no such expectation.

Don’t care, don’t care, don’t care. Again: DON’T CARE if that’s how you see it. Others—many others—will see it as insulting and will see you as an asshole. You have absolutely zero say over this fact. You have two options: suck it up and accept that people are thinking you are an asshole, or start using language that is considered less insulting. Those are your two options. Deal with them.

I don’t actually know that 100% of them view it as an insult, but I’d say that chances are pretty good that yeah, a big chunk of them are going to take it that way. You take your chances. Deal with a whole lot of people thinking you are an asshole, or change your language. There really isn’t anything more to discuss. Blathering about how you don’t mean it that way, and that if people would be more (spare me) “thoughtful” about what you are saying doesn’t guarantee jack. You take your chances that a lot—a lot—of people will think you are an asshole. How you deal with that, or how you feel about that, is your problem. Just remember that others are entitled to their opinion, and they have every right to see you as an asshole if they feel you’ve earned the title.

Am I so out of the loop that I’ve never heard of this band?

How?

Don’t you know that uber annoying song with the refrain “all right all ready we all float on”

At least, I think that’s the lyric, I hate the song.

I’m not going to comment on this mess right now, my Gnostic Agnostic two cents will be thrown in at some point later.

You’ve probably heard “Float On” but just didn’t know who it was. If you heard the riff you’d probably go, “oh, that.”

Oh, I do, I do, and I’m not as bothered as you might suggest (Dictating thought? Muwahahah! Shall I use my powers for good, or for EEEEVIL!). I’m willing to gamble there are other options, though.

Then there was never anything to discuss and I don’t know why you bothered. If you are sanguine with a lot of people thinking you are an asshole, then there is no reason for you to argue how about how we interpret your words.

I wouldn’t hold my breath hoping that a whole lot of people will be convinced that you calling them “deluded” isn’t an insult, though. But hey. You just keep on doing what you’re doing. We’ll keep thinking you’re an asshole. We’re on the same page now. :wink:

I believe that God caused abiogenesis.

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB090.html

Is that delusional? If so, why?

I don’t think you’ve been paying attention.

Odd you have faith in your powers of perception and reading comprehension. I don’t think I’ve ever debated someone who tried to put more words in my mouth in such a short period. Sanguine? Riiight. How about battling resignation? Or were you going to ask? Probably not.

Such as…?

Yes, it is.
Because a rational answer will have nothing to do with invisible fairies, powerful wizards, secret spells, or a vast and trick-playing God.

Meanwhile , (for others in this thread) I don’t understand why someone saying that one of your beliefs is deluded implies a personal attack.
Yes, people often cling way too tightly to their beliefs, but, you are not your beliefs.

And quite frankly telling someone that they can’t call you on the carpet when you imagine things is kinda… less than honest in a debate.

Person 1: Well, how do you think Phenomona A happened?
Person 2: Pixies.
Person 1: Pixies, are you kidding me?
Person 1: Nope. Pixies.

Replace pixies with God and you see how this sounds to most rational people.

(And no, I’m not saying theists are totally irrational, but to the degree they place belief in something whose very definition says it doesn’t exist in reality… they hold irrational beliefs)

Oh, and, “There is no God” is the null-hypothesis. And one that has not been falsified. Non-belief is the natural and rational state one has in reaction to claims without evidence. You don’t have to find proof to not believe in something, you have to find proof to believe in it.

“I can see how having faith in God and His miracles must be regarded as delusory to a person who does not believe without proof, and within those constraints, it is a valid characterization. I do have the conviction my faith gives me, however, that my beliefs are not delusory, despite my inability to prove that to you.”

Look—I’ve made it really simple, for several pages now. You are expressing yourself in a way that is guaranteed to insult a big percentage of people. That is a fact. You decide what you want to do with this fact. You can complain because you are being called an asshole for deliberately using language that you have been told (repeatedly) is considered insulting. But that isn’t going to get you anywhere, because all your explaining isn’t going to change the fact. People will and do consider you an asshole because they see you as deliberately insulting them. So either you are okay with this (that people think you’re an asshole), or you’re not. It doesn’t really matter to me either way.

You also seem to want to spin and argue about whether people should consider you an asshole, or whether they ought to consider you an asshole. You want to hope that people somehow can be convinced that you’re not an asshole (even though you continue to do something that they see as insulting). If you want to waste your energy trying to have it all your way (call people something that they consider assholish, but somehow not have them think you’re an asshole), then knock yourself out. I don’t feel much sympathy for you, since I think you are foolhardy to think you can have it all your way, but hey—it’s your energy to waste. Enjoy.

Huh, what’d they use before that? They didn’t use Newtonian Physics for a few decades didn’t they? Were there any accepted laws? Tested to the limits of their technological capability? Perhaps laws proven to not be correct in all instances? Did they change these laws? Perhaps to incorperate General Relativity? Naaaaaaaaah.

Wasn’t it just a few years ago that according to accpted physics that a bumble bee couldn’t fly? Until calculations were changed because while fluid dynamics could approximate air it couldn’t be completely accurate?

How about Democatus’ belief that all matter was composed of indivisble particles called atoms? Assumed wrong then shown right then proved wrong. Wowzers.

Transmutation of elements, the four elements, so many fun things that have been in and out. Noble gasses that can react with other elements.

Why does gravity work? Could it just stop one day? Possibly, but unlikely. I’m not saying that everything must be taken on faith but science requires you to believe that you believe in what you’ve got until something proves it wrong. Keep saying something’s impossible and eventually you’ll likely be wrong. Get back to me when GR has turned 150.

Well now there’s the flaw in your error. Moudest Mouse just wouldn’t work.

P.S. I’m so much more into Vodka than wine.