Yeah, liberals are loving these town hall revolts and they are fairly entertaining political theater, but compared to the actual elections they’re a drop in the bucket. It’s nice to dream, though.
I’m amused by the image of Trump throwing farmers into tornadoes.
Well, the same was said of those rowdy town hall tea partiers after the Obama victory.
Indeed.
At least I am able to vote against the bastard, for what little good it will do.
Rabbi Maimonides told us that if we are approached by ten beggars, give them money, and nine of them were lying to us, we have still done a good thing.
Do we get to elect legislators to make laws that control where our tax dollars go?
I don’t think it’s that. They’re trying to claim that the Democrats are shipping in outside protesters, with the implication that the honest, hardworking people in their district support ACA repeal, and the protesters are a bunch of outsiders stirring up trouble. It’s generally not true, but you can see the usefulness of the narrative.
No offense, but isn’t that kind of foolish of you? I mean, we’re talking about your career here? Do you really mean that, or is it just some sort of pious platitude? Because I have no idea why you’d take that position.
IAN Aspenglow and cannot speak for him/her, but I do know that some people are afflicted with a condition called “principled integrity” that makes them willing to put long-term benefit for everybody from a superior system above short-term benefit for themselves from an inferior system. Sad!
Please. If Aspenglow had serious objections to working in insurance, s/he wouldn’t work in insurance. But your first responsibility is to yourself, your friends, and your family, not to some nebulous concept of the public good.
In a very, very broad sense, maybe. In the very specific sense of “I don’t want a single dime of my taxes going for something I don’t believe in,” no. As you are well aware.
lol
You pay almost 40% tax rate?! According to this, there’s a minimum of $415,050 coming into your household. I’m also assuming that your house is in the same approximate value as their $600,00 house. Based on this, you aren’t middle class no matter how you may feel.
Let’s play dueling anecdotes. Poor? One of the most memorable homes I lived in was a single-wide in a clearing in the woods in Arkansas. Mum and dad had a bedroom and my 3 sisters and I shared a room, using 2X4 and plywood bunk beds. My wife’s was an old Buick in California. She had the entire backseat while her dad took the front.
We’re both only high school graduates and after a rough decade of getting our shit together, working our asses off, and excelling at our jobs, we are middle class. We make about $60,000 a year. We’ve never taken charity and used WIC for 2 years.
If I can get a guarantee that everybody (including my kids) can get the education they want and the minimum level of healthcare that everybody (including me and mine) deserves, I’ll pay 40%
If 10% of the people helped are lying scumbags, we still helped 90% of people who are worth it.
The formalities of law provide the objective structure of what is legal and what is not, hence, an agreed consensus among those so empowered. If you want to change that, then the burden is on you to prove the necessity of change. Besides, what specific thing do you object to? Please answer in precise and definitive terms, there wiil be a quiz. And if that doesn’t work, there will be another.
Thanks for the reply. We don’t always agree on everything, but at least I can understand what you say, and it has some thought, some reasoning behind it.
This same Gomer had no problem catering to and pandering to angry armed groups of Tea Partiers just a few years ago.
Yes we do, because we believe it is a worthwhile thing. Even though we (including myself) already have/had coverage before Obamacare.
Kimstu, she. And thanks for the reply on my behalf.
Captain Amazing, no, not foolish. Principled to the point of putting my money where my mouth is. I am passionate about this issue.
I’m not in insurance, but my work as a third party administrator for Section 125 (Flex) tax savings plans would probably go away eventually if we ever adopted single payer. But even if we move to a single payer system tomorrow (LOL!!), it would take several years to bring the change about – and since my work is a vehicle to shift a portion of the burden for the cost of health care to consumers, it’s likely to be one of the last things to go. Neither Democrats or Republicans seem eager to eliminate it.
One of the things many people who want to move immediately to single payer forget is that a very lot of people are employed by the present system. Any shift will have to be gradual in order to not throw a lot of people out of work all at once.
It’s exactly because my responsibilities are first to myself (I’ll be ok), my friends and family that I feel this way. I watched my mom struggle hard in the last few years getting/keeping insurance coverage as an older self-employed individual, before she was Medicare eligible. I remember she cried when she qualified – not because she was sick, but because she no longer had to worry in case she did get sick. I can’t express how glad I am that her brain aneurysm waited until she was covered by Medicare to make its presence known.
Before the ACA, I faced the same problems. If you have health insurance through your employer, you have no idea how hard insurance companies worked to schmuck older people off their rolls for any possible reason, or how shockingly expensive it was once they’d determined their bullshit “pre-existing condition,” no matter how flimsy.
I have several friends and family members who would be dead today without the ACA. Damn right I’m willing to give up my business and career for the greater good. Theirs. And mine.
I sure hope we still do! 
It is possible she needs the guarantee of coverage even if you have a pre-existing condition but ok…for the sake of argument let’s assume she is as subsidized for insurance as it is possible to be.
What WillFarnaby is neglecting is that he was paying for this before Obamacare too.
In the US we do not turn people away at the emergency room. This woman’s husband would have a heart attack (or whatever), get rushed to the ER and treated. They would tell the hospital they could not pay and guess what…the hospital passes those costs along to those who can like (presumably) WillFarnaby through higher prices. The hospital sure didn’t suck it up out of the kindness of their hearts. The money is coming from somewhere and in the end it will be the consumer picking up the tab.
Also consider that the hospital might well initiate collection proceedings against this woman and her husband so they lose their house and savings. Now they are on welfare and again, guess who pays for that?
The only problem now is costs that were previously buried are out in the light. WillFarnaby can see the bill and now he cares.
The only alternative WillFarnaby has to this is we check ability to pay at the hospital doors and if it cannot be determined if the patient can cover likely costs they are left on the curb to their own devices. If we aren’t prepared to do that then society will have to help pay for those who cannot.
Perhaps then you could explain why it is that I am being required to care about citizens who not only don’t give a rats ass about me, but also expect that I will support them?
Partly to see if you all who think that universal healthcare is such a good idea really know what is going on in other countries.
Where did I say I was angry? If I am anything, I’m resigned. No matter what, the legacy of entitlement to the fruits of the labors of others will continue to grow. I am left wondering why I worked two and three jobs to get ahead, when the result is that I end up paying high taxes to support people who decided to have kids/do drugs/drop out instead of working.
Also, I kind of doubt whether there actually is any real information on whether citizens of other countries are as entitled and irresponsible as too many of us are. But then, I wasn’t the one making sweeping statements about those other countries.
Dunno. That was what is called an example. One of billions. OTOH, since it is the government doing it, I imagine it costs far more than it should.
Cheaper for who? And what will you all want to give them next?
:rolleyes: Another person who thinks that a pension plan is the same thing as welfare. Yes I do need to meet some better, more intelligent people don’t I?
Who is Farnaby?
Damn there was a whole other page - I gotta quit having a life.
Who is paying for the people on ACA who are paying far less for their insurance than the average group premium?
Who thinks that? I mean, anyone other than the Cheeto in Charge?
HA! That actually made me LOL for real. What gives you the impression I married into money?
Hard to say since it is rare that someone admits to it. I doubt any of my close friends are tho.
Define what you consider to be “need”.
Why can’t they leave?
We are going to do our best to live on a fixed income but it is scary to think how possible it is that we will have to sell our house because taxes have become too much.
We also pay a state income tax.
You would be wrong.
Well, since you were wrong on both counts and have not factored in where we live, please pardon me if I don’t accept that assessment. By your own cite, we are solidly middle class.
What is your point here? That you are still a liberal and don’t notice the growth in numbers of people with their hands out? Or that there is something to be proud of for “only” taking welfare for two years because you couldn’t be arsed to wait to have kid(s) until you could afford them?
And Will still ends up paying the extra costs caused by the increase in endemic and epidemic disease.
Gee, it sure does suck for Will to be trapped in a universe that functions by cause and effect instead of reshaping reality in response to ideological incantations.