Not if they aren’t hearing that language. Children of illegals hear only Spanish until they go to public school.
It would be if that was even close to anything I said. What I said, and what you quoted was “nor can we afford to educate their non-English speaking children.” We are required to do it by law, we are (more or less) getting it done at the cost of other children and other subjects, and we are running a huge deficit here. Public schools are laying off teachers and increasing class size, which is resulting in the graduation of poorly educated kids. Sure, they (sort of) speak English but far too many have trouble writing a simple memo/letter, doing math and all the other skills that would get them a decent start in life.
Seriously. You need to be here to understand the subject.
Sure thing. Having read that in school would make a huge difference in someone’s life. We must get right on making sure that everyone reads and discusses it, and anything else you think is important. I’m very sorry that it wasn’t included in my education (or I forgot it, which is also possible. I have a vague memory of the title is all).
Really? S Cal schools aren’t laying off? We aren’t running in the red? Class sizes aren’t getting bigger? Many kids don’t have extremely poor educations despite having graduated? Just what part of what you quoted do you think is full of shit? Or, being a teacher, are you just going with the flow?
“the” reference in “the” article. Is that how you teach?
I would like to see a guest worker system that provides screening for applicants, legal protections for workers, and a path to citizenship for economically productive families. I believe that as long as education is available, areas with higher populations tend to become more and more prosperous. Immigration has long been a major driver of American prosperity.
I am all for increased competition in the workforce. If America wants to stay globally competitive, we need train, educate and innovate, because China, India and everyone else it studying and working their butts off. We can’t afford to feel entitled and protected, or the global economy is going to steamroller us. A little internal competition will keep is nimble and striving.
If we effectively have an open border right now, I don’t think formalizing the process is going to lead to new masses pouring in. Mexico’s economy actually isn’t that bad and will continue to grow. This kind of immigration actually is self limiting.
even sven listed out a fairly concrete plan. I believe that if we allowed a fairly fluid flow of people in and out of the country that we’d see fewer problems with illegal immigrants. My understanding is that because the trek is so arduous that people who make it here don’t want to go back, even if they can’t find a job.
Why is allowing easier entry exclusive of controlling a border?
And here’s a concrete question for you: what is your plan for controlling the border and how much do you think it would cost?
These are always the same arguments. According to this link there were no quotas through Ellis Island. I think I remember there being some Asian quotas during the Yellow Peril but that was not the norm. The people who came through Ellis Island were largely no more educated than today’s immigrants.
The OP is right, because as we all know the term “illegal aliens” was handed down by God himself on tablets of fire and is written in the stars. It’s an immutable and inarguable law of nature that that’s what these people must be called at all times.
You’re offered information on how much money the “illegals” are putting into the Social Security system of the United States and you handwave it away, only to take a satiric article from a couple of centuries ago seriously?
What a stupid response. I’m not a professional negotiator of international treaties, so I don’t have a “concrete and detailed idea”, anymore than messageboard proponents of free trade are required to have detailed ideas before they can advocate for free trade.
Obviously what I advocate is that the United States enter into treaties with other nations that remove barriers to migration between nations, just as we’ve entered into treaties with other nations that remove barriers to the flow of capital between nations.
Perhaps, Shagnasty, you’re just totally unfamiliar with the idea, and really meant to type, “Can you educate me on some of the basic arguments for open immigration?” If you’d phrased it that way, it would’ve been a lot less stupid, and I would have obliged.
“Things as they are” enables certain companies/industries to exploit workers–paying them less, and providing worse working conditions, than would be the case if they were compelled to hire only citizens (or legal immigrant workers with the same avenues of recourse).
Seems to me there’s an important aspect to this discussion that I never hear discussed.
“Things as they are” allows some nations (I’m thinking especially of Mexico and Guatemala) to simply export their social ills rather than deal with them at home. You’ve got millions of unemployed people, and no plan whatsoever to create employment for them and stabilize your situation? Hey, no sweat, they can all just walk north to the United States.
I absolutely believe that segments of the US economy find illegal immigration highly desirable because it gives them an endless supply of powerless labor who can’t complain if they’re forced to work 12 and 14 hours at a stretch without overtime pay, or to handle insecticides without safety gear or training or even being told what they’re handling.
I also believe that the situation gives the governments of their home countries a safety valve, and lets them simply ship out a whole bunch of people who might otherwise stay home and get pissed off about their situation and decide to do something about it.
Illegal aliens (and fuck it, I’m not going to apologize for using that term) are being exploited on both ends of the trip from home to here.
Yeah, after four pages he claimed that it was sarcasm. So he’s a sarcastic racist. Or is it okay to be a racist if you hide it in sarcasm? And if someone calls you on it, just call them stupid. And get your friends to agree with you.
Sorry, but even if you grant the late claim of sarcasm it’s still at the expense of a defenseless minority group. It’s despicable to refer to people that way. Substitute any other oppressed minority group (or even a non-oppressed majority group) for Marley’s contempt for immigrants in this sentence and you can see how horrifying it is. It’s a huge turd in the punchbowl. Even as sarcasm, it’s at the expense of immigrants and still racist.
Hey Marley, how about you apologize for your sarcastic, racist rant?