You may be a “more than frequent” speeder, but you aren’t speeding 24 hours a day. An illegal alien is breaking the law every second he is in the country.
Not because of where they were born - because of where they currently live, and the legality of their status there.
I’d rather be called monstrously stupid than be the crypto racists you fascists are. You smile and smile while calling whole swaths of people “illegal” pretending you don’t mean non-English speaking or non-white people. Everyone now knows how highly you regard candor. Everybody has stopped and looked and is silent, waiting for you to try to find a few more crypto racist friends to agree with you to cover your embarrassment at being called on it.
The fact of the matter is that every people is just as good as you. No matter your skin color or status of documentation. You are just another human. You and I are no better than an undocumented worker that has had no tribunal declare them “illegal”. Acts in this country are illegal, only when a court pronounces someone guilty of those acts. A person is never “illegal”. That is the American way. And you are racists. I love how you all run and get your friends to come say how stupid I am to try to cover your racist crap. I love how you are flush from embarrassment at being called out.
You are racists giving cover to racists and racism. You are calling human beings “illegal” and think that makes you smart. And you think I find it insulting or a defense to be called stupid. I don’t. There is nothing shameful in being stupid. But there is something shameful in perpetuating racism.
While I may in fact be stupid, failing to accept that the emperor has no clothes and calling out this “illegal” crap as racism isn’t stupid or evidence of my stupidity, which really isn’t in issue. I long ago abandoned any pretense on this board to being anything other than an idiot. The issue is whether insisting people with less than perfect documentation are “illegal” and outside the protection of the law and human dignity is racist and repugnant. It is and so are you.
In this matter, the only moral difference between you folks and a white supremacist is that the white supremacist isn’t low enough to lie to himself and others about his white supremacist garbage. How does it feel to be lower than a white supremacist?
That’s called a regression analysis. How does it feel to have your ass handed to you by a stupid liberal?
Project much? What makes you assume that anyone is talking about any people other than those who are here illegally? Hell, I’ll step up to the plate - here, an illegal is almost always non-English speaking and their skin tends to be brown. You know why? Because the illegals here come from Mexico and they speak Spanish only. That is a reality, not racism. Racism would be if I assumed that every Mexican I see was illegal, which I don’t.
Nope. There are lots of people who are not as good as me or Miller, even you. There are also lots of people who are better than any of us. People are not all exactly the same, and not all people are good.
No, we call those human beings “illegal” because it is the shorthand we use for “people in the country illegally”. It has nothing to do with smarts.
You may not be stupid but you sure do jump to all kinds of incorrect conclusions, and you seem to be hypersensitive to people being lumped into categories. It happens, it will always happen.
Honey, we are talking about people with no documents, not “less than perfect” ones. People who came here illegally from the start, who know they are breaking the law but do it anyway. Not sure what any of that has to do with human dignity, but none of it’s racist and the only repugnant thing is people expect to come here and be supported by others.
I can say, without any hint of hyperbole at all, that it was one of the greatest experiences of my time on this board.
I was going to bet that the real problem was finding a place to hold a Tea Party meeting. Every ballroom in town is reserved for quinceañeras. Every fucking weekend.
Nonsense. Illegal aliens pay billions of dollars of taxes in return for nothing.
It’s called “desperation”. They risk their lives to come here to do jobs Americans refuse to do, under conditions they refuse to work under, for wages Americans consider beneath them. And they get few “benefits”.
:rolleyes: We are the ones exploiting them, not the other way around. No matter how popular it is to play White Man’s Burden.
You’ll note, however that the people who are kicking up a fuss in the thread are doing it over aspects and locales associated with Central/South American illegal immigration and especially Mexico. I personally would have a hard time believing that the OP read an article or something about Olga the undocumented nail technician or Sven the student with an expired visa and that’s what got under his skin.
Of course; Olga and Sven are white. Race is a huge component of all this, as I’ve said. So-called anti-illegal-immigrant movements and laws tend to heavily punish anyone brown regardless of their citizenship for just that reason.
Define “brown”.
Similarly, define “white”.
I ask, because IIRC you insisted that Cuban-Americans weren’t “brown” but were white.
Please explain why you consider some Latin Americans to be “brown” and some to be “white”?
Thank you in advance for your answer which I’m sure will be well thought-out and will show great knowledge about the topic and will make the people who think you’re an ignoramus who merely likes to throw out flames without having the balls or the brains to back them up feel really stupid.
Racist bullshit.
Moreover, it shows extreme ignorance since about half to of the Southern and Eastern European immigrants of the late 19th and early 20th Century stayed in the US for awhile and then went back home.
Truth be told, today’s Mexican immigrants show vastly more desire to be Americans than the Jews, Italians, and Greeks of the late 19th and 20th Century.
While his comments were obnoxious, to claim that someone not squealing about “illegal immigrants” isn’t talking about Hispanics is like insisting that someone squealing about “Zionists” “controlling the State Department” “controlling the media” or “controlling Hollywood” isn’t talking about Jews.
Obviously not all Zionists are Jews, but when people make comments like that, we know they’re not talking about Jesse Helms or Jerry Falwell.
Similarly, yes, there are lots of illegal immigrants who aren’t Latinos, but when people whine about illegals they aren’t talking Irish immigrants on their Uncle’s green cards or Russian immigrants who overstayed a tourist visa.
In fact, you’ll find numerous politicians as diverse as Hillary Clinton and John McCain appearing in front of groups openly calling not for “dream act” for illegal Irish immigrants or even “amnesty” but openly calling for “legalizing” them.
Here’s one example.
I’ll make an educated guess and say no one on this thread has even seen that picture before.
Can anyone seriously imagine the ramifications if a major American Presidential candidate appeared before calling for legalizing all Mexican immigrants holding aloft a sign proclaiming “Legalize the Mexicans”?
This is stupidly simplistic, as it means virtually everyone is a bigot. I doubt you’ll find many Americans who believe, for example, that citizens of other countries should be able to vote or hold public office in the US.
I want people treated differently if they jump the fence. Come in through the gate? Welcome to America; live long and prosper. Sneak in against our wishes? We’ll hunt you down and put you on a bus headed south.
Absolutely, because 99% of the time an illegal immigrant is Mexican. You do get people from other countries overstaying their visas and such, but the vast majority of people who are here illegally are Mexicans who have snuck across our southern border. To pretend otherwise is to deny reality.
It’s possible to favor legal immigration while being strongly against illegal immigration and all the ills it brings. There may be plenty of racists who rail against illegal immigration because of their racism - but a person who opposes illegal immigration is not inherently racist, and reflexive accusations like that do nothing to advance the discussion. I am not a racist for wanting to maintain control over who enters my country so we can filter out murderers, drug addicts, drug couriers and other undesirables, and limit the influx of workers so as to serve the interests of America. We can talk about ways to help the impoverished citizens of other countries, but I don’t believe letting them stream across our borders in unchecked quantities is a smart way to do that.
There are some unscrupulous business owners who are happy to have access to an ultra-cheap pool of labor, but I’m not one of them.
Quite right. Even people who are here illegally are entitled to the protection of the law. They have the right to remain silent, they have the right to an attorney, and all that. They have the right to be treated in a dignified manner by law enforcement officials, and they can’t be deported until/unless it’s officially determined that they are here illegally (usually by their own admission).
Wages are depressed (and work conditions are crap) because of illegal immigration. There are business owners who would like to hire citizens or legal immigrants and pay them minimum wage or more, but can’t because all of their competitors are hiring illegal immigrants and paying them less. If they don’t do the same, they will go out of business. Eliminate illegal immigration, and wages will rise until they attract citizens and legal immigrants.
no wonder groups like the Moose, Elks, Eagles were so popular. now the Lions they were just waiting to get called out.
They aren’t allowed in his basement.
This seems more like an affluent mother situation, not an illegal immigration situation.
Well, it’s both. The fact that there’s a large pool of women who lack legal status (yes, because they’ve come to or stayed in this country illegally) makes it possible for people to hire them and deny them the protections and benefits that citizens and legal residents take for granted. It also makes it impossible for those who do have legal status and want to work as nannies to demand, or even negotiate for, fair wages and benefits.
As a side note, this pool of women is largely from the Caribbean and are almost all native English speakers. Not the most important thing in this discussion, but I saw a lot of posts above insisting that this debate is only about Mexicans. Which is untrue. Here in New York, although there are certainly many non-legal workers from Central and South America, there are also a lot of people from the Caribbean, and Eastern Europe, and Africa.
This particular corner of the underground labor market always pisses me off, because it’s been my observation that those doing the hiring would almost always identify themselves as liberals or progressives. They’d never vote Republican. They buy fair-trade coffee. They are locavores. They are pro gay rights. Etc. But when it comes down to it, they’re perfectly willing to exploit a worker so that they can have servants at a good price. The hypocrisy is staggering.
I don’t see any hypocrisy in the majority of items you list off, most resoundingly gay rights which is a social issue rather than economic. The closest to hypocrisy is support for fair-work food, but it is possible to simultaneously want to improve the living conditions of non-american food workers, while not wanting to do so for child care workers, providing of course that the latter have better conditions than the former.
Of course, some of them could also be hypocrites. But not necessarily.
You don’t have a choice at this point.
This raises a second problem: when stupid people pass judgment on you using terms they overheard in college and clearly didn’t understand, it doesn’t hurt very much. There are people who talk about immigration issues in a racist way, but it’s not everybody. You’re too dumb to distinguish between them, which ought to surprise nobody.
What did the English language ever do to you to deserve this kind of abuse?
What is your obsession with tribunals? This isn’t ancient Rome. We have courts, and it sounds like you have no idea how they work.
That’s not quite how that works, no.
Several people have already said this. You do understand that I got into this thread because I disagreed with the OP that “illegal alien” is the best and only term for these people, right? (I’m kidding, I know you don’t understand.) I think the only person who actually used the word “illegals” seriously is curlcoat, and curlcoat is a moron.
Say racist a few more times and it’ll magically become true.
Nope, we’re not.
I think you’ve got me there. You don’t mind being called stupid and don’t even think it’s bad. But it’s true anyway. You’re a whiny idiot.
Here we can agree.
Uh huh. Where did I say anything about that?
Your problem is that you are too stupid to figure out who is arguing what. So you’re insulting the wrong people because you think you know what they are saying when it’s obvious you don’t have the least fucking clue. I guess you think you can cover this up by saying “racist!” a few dozen times and tossing in “crypto facist” here and there, but it doesn’t work. Not on people who can read, anyway.
No it isn’t.
For once in your life, you thread hijacking pedant, shut the hell up. I understand that people who whine about lazy immigrants who don’t speak English or talk about gardners are prejudiced against Latinos. It does not follow that every discussion of illegal immigration (or what to call people who immigrate illegally) is really about Latinos or is really racist. Something something tortured analogy Holocaust something something.