Dangit! I accidentally deleted Mr. J’s thread. Luckily I copied off my cache version the following:
Mr J. Speaking:
Well that didn’t quite work I will try again and then contact mr nick. (all sorts of strange stuf has been happening to me ever since i did NOT discover and did NOT go to the private forums,which do Not exist. Almost as if THEY{who also do NOT exist} are trying to discourage me.) Here we go:
Sorry to start another thread,but search’s WAGs are totally without foundation. i can’t find the original. here is an Email i sent to two engineers at alcoa. and the answer one of them sent.
Gentlemen;
It is a debate I am involved in. Given that soda cans are harder to crush than beer cans; Is there a difference in the wall thickness of a beer can and a soda pop can? Or another structural difference that would make a soda can harder to crush? If so why? My hypothesis is that soda cans are thicker due to more pressure from the carbonation. If you shoot me down I won’t mind. If either of you can help me, I promise to drink even more beer, thereby increasing the amount of aluminum recycled. In closing I would like to remind you of some words from the movie “The Graduate”, “Mrs. Robinson, you’re trying to seduce me…Aren’t you?” thanx, Al
Well, yes and no. (now that i see that in juxtaposition it seems real strange,mj)
Yes, soda has more carbonation than beer. Typically about 3.5 volumes of CO2 for soda (sprite is higher, Fanta is lower), and only 2.7 for beer.This means on a hot day in the back of a delivery truck soda cans will have higher pressure than beer cans, perhaps 90 psi compared with 60 psi.But the crush load of a can (resistance to standing on it) is a requirementof the necking and filling operations, not the product inside. Necking is the metal forming operation on the can to allow the lid diameter to be smaller.(So that’s what necking is.What were my parents so worried about?mj) Beer and soda cans have the same requirements in this regard.My guess is that you buy good quality beer and lousy quality soda. Lots of
soda bottlers buy cans strictly on price, and those outdated can designs and equipment have much higher performance (and in many cases performance requirements) than the newer, more highly-engineered cans.
Of course, these comments are my own and do not reflect the opinions of my gracious employer.
Cheers,
abt
Turns out every body was right and wrong. At least those of us on the more pop in pop were right, but the entire thick can theory was bogus. To paraphrase ,some cans are thick some are thin,some have wide necks some narrow but not because of the pressure.It’s because of the machine they use to pour the stuff in. At least the research involved in comparing neck sizes was interesting, even if it was a lot of work to empty all those (burp,'scuse) beer cans ,so i wouldn’t strain myself holding them against the soda cans.
“Pardon me while I have a strange interlude.”-Marx
pmh
Member posted 08-24-1999 02:04 AM
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But the crush load of a can (resistance to standing on it) is a requirementof the necking and filling operations
Is that the answer? MechEs please translate. My statics class was a long time ago.
FTR, the original thread is at