See above post as to Biden being widely seen as that person. I don’t remember this, but that certainly doesn’t mean it wasn’t so.
As for smearing plans being made, I suppose it’s possible. But without evidence, this is only conjecture. And I don’t think Giuliani being involved in/aware of the Hunter Biden connection since at least Nov 2018 is necessarily “scrambling”. The plan could have been in the works for months.
It is of note that even those sites see this specific spin as too silly to even float.
They’ve gone in other directions:
Parnas is a known liar, nothing from him is credible.
And what he brings forth is too incredibly big to be believed.
Or only relates to rogue Rudy not Trump.
I take it you mean he has plans ready to go, not that he as actually gone after the rest the way he wanted to go after Biden? We shall see.
ETA: And the point was, if you go after Biden early, why not go after the rest early. Not that Trump won’t eventually go after whomever, as of course he will.
The obvious answer is that he thought he had a better shot running against other contenders such as Sanders. Knock Biden out and you’ll get one of the others.
As further evidence, here is a 3/28/19 poll that shows Biden as the clear frontrunner:
Isn’t the only reason the public became aware of the anti-Biden effort was because of the whistleblower report? Maybe there are similar efforts underway vs. Warren and Sanders, and we just haven’t had an analogous exposure of the plot?
First of all, there are plenty of quotes from Biden discussing running in 2020 before he announced his official candidacy. Including from these links:
"Biden is considered to be a leading 2020 Democratic hopeful. The former vice president has played coy about his future political prospects and said he plans to make a 2020 decision by January. "
“As a growing wave of Democrats declared their candidacy to retake the White House, Biden has reportedly mulled a 2020 campaign in recent weeks. Senior campaign positions have reportedly been hashed out and donors have been targeted, according to The Atlantic.”
Second of all, this is entirely irrelevant because the OP hinges on the absolutely ludicrous assertion that Trump didn’t have any idea before the very moment that Biden announced his candidacy that Biden might be his opponent. I mean, I can’t actually believe that I’m arguing about this because this is so transparently ridiculous.
It’s a Rudy text, presumable to Parnas. So it doesn’t matter if Parnas is a liar. Rudy has tweeted the “before Biden announced” argument:
The Dems made a dump with the text we are discussing, and then removed the entire dump (see the intro to the article in the original link for this thread).
The text further exonerates Trump in that the Ambassador (not a political opponent) is lumped in with Biden in the “on the record” request. (As I have pointed out above.)
It is possible sites simply haven’t noticed it.
(This opens the complaint that an impeachment trial should follow “Brady material” rules, and exculpatory info like this is not being handed over to Trump’s defense.)
The poll shows Biden 10 points above O’Rourke. Well yeah, that’s a frontrunner but it’s not like no one else is even close. But certainly knocking out Biden is better than not doing so. Makes sense.
Your link mentions legitimate political tactics, despite the use of the word “radioactive.” There is no hint of *smearing *at that link.
Since he turned 35? Since third grade? Since his third trimester in his mom?
We are in agreement here, as I too have mentioned. I just didn’t think your links supported your assertion, that’s all.
How do we know that Ukraine is corrupt? The same way we know that North Korea is corrupt. If Donald Trump informed Kim Jong Un that Otto Warmbier had stolen something while he was visiting North Korea and suggested that North Korea needed to investigate him, would you think that was A-OK as long as Otto hadn’t announced his intention to run against Trump for President ? Would you think Otto’s actual guilt or innocence had any bearing on the discussion.?
Would you trust Trump’s gut over years of solid evidence if he said he felt North Korea was not corrupt and that they would treat Warmbier fairly?
Would decades of hard evidence of people in North Korea being treated unfairly pull any weight with you , or is the opinion of Donald J Trump all that matters to you?
We know Ukraine is corrupt because, much like North Korea, they have a decades long record of jailing and torturing people because they support the wrong political party or because someone that’s in favor with the current ruling party wants to steal their stuff.
A lot of Americans do business in Ukraine and Russia and the US recognizes that there may be a need to investigate the wrongdoing of an American citizen. That is why we have a mutual legal assistance treaty (MLAT) with Ukraine. This assures that their is a mechanism for bringing American citizens to justice while protecting their legal and civil rights.
Investigations of an American citizen that don’t go through MLAT compromise the legal and civil rights of the person under investigation. Now, I’ve come to accept the fact that many Republicans delight in the idea of their political opponents being tortured and murdered. But it disgusts me to see them actually try to carry out a plot to railroad and torture an American citizen.
Relevant law? Do you think that if Trump manages to obey one law he can ignore the rest of them? That’s not how it works.
Smearing is what Trump does. “Crazy Nancy”, “Do-Nothing Democrats”, “Shifty Adam Smith”, “everywhere Marie Yovanovitch went turned bad”, mocking the disabled, birtherism, etc.
I notice your argument involves a lot of not thinking.
Ah. I thought you meant the Parnas napkin note, not the corroborative texting. Okay so it is not an original crazy thought from you, it’s a Rudy sourced crazy thought. Still holds that even Fox’s sycophants recognize that this one is too silly. Of course they do consider the rogue Rudy rap relegating Rudy under the rear axle as righteous reporting.
Without quibbling over the term “smear”, which to me is more than just childish name-calling, yes, he most certainly does and says those things. But I asked for evidence of smear planning against other opponents in the context of the Biden conspiracy, and you didn’t give me any in that link.
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You seem to be missing 2 key points:
1.Rudy sent the text 3/12/19. Biden’s campaign started 4/25/19.
2. Rudy’s request for them to go “on the record” applies to both Biden and the Ambassador. And the Ambassador is a definite non-“political opponent”.
And you seem to be doubting the authenticity of the “napkin note”. How dare you! It is written on genuine Ritz Carlton stationary! That entitles the writer, and any subsequent presenter who happened to come into possession of it, 100 percent belief in all contextual/temporal/authenticity claims they make about it, and all inferences they suggest should be drawn from it. Tsk, tsk. (Although it is the Ritz Carlton Vienna, a note written on Ritz Carlton Dusseldorf stationary would trump all claims made thereonto (no pun intended).)
I’m saying that when you are conspiring to have someone imprisoned and tortured, it doesn’t matter if they are a political opponent or not. It’s despicable in any case.
And pushing for Ukraine to criminally investigate someone without an MLAT is, in effect, conspiring to have them imprisoned and tortured.