No, what was really pathetic was Palin tossing Ted Cruz under the bus and supporting Trump, helping him overcome a challenge that was looking to be a problem for Trump.
Trump then tossed her down and was kept away from the Republican convention with the most pathetic excuse in history:
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/trump-sarah-palin-republican-convention-225541
Just appropriate for one of the the most pathetic candidates in modern times.
No, he isn’t.
I like Sanders. I don’t agree with him on everything, and I agree with Clinton on more things, but I think his policies are mostly at least debatable, as opposed to insane.
And Sanders isn’t a socialist. A socialist wants to end private ownership of the “means of production” (which term is defined… somewhere… ) and remake society in terms of “collective” ownership of the economic system, which they view as a Utopian end goal, probably the One End Goal of All History, as per Dialectical Materialism. It’s a teleological philosophy, not unlike Christianity vis a vis the End Times.
Sanders, on the other hand, wants to reform capitalism, making it more fair for lower-class people by removing or replacing some of the things loved by the rich. That’s… not socialism. Reformed capitalism is still capitalism. Capitalism has been reformed over and over again over the centuries, and it is still capitalism. My point is, he doesn’t have the teleological philosophy of the Socialist End Times Dogma. He’s a reformist. That’s why he’s sane.
The most interesting part about Sanders was that he thought calling himself a Socialist was a good strategy.
I’m not following you, honestly. What was a problem or challenge for Trump, not being endorsed by Cruz?
Fine with me. Cruz blows. He’s an bitter, angry man.
Good thing Palin endorsed Trump. I find no fault in that.
Am I misreading something, or do you think John Kerry was Obama’s running mate?
You’re right. Apologies.
Insert Biden with Kerry above.
I should add to my comment above for full disclosure - I meant to say Biden was brought in to counter what was thought to be McCain’s biggest strength - foreign affairs.
He was and my comments in that regard stand - I never believed he was Obama’s choice. It was the party’s.
When you started talking horse-face and staid old man I immediately thought of our current Secretary of State, and adversary, of Republicans - Kerry.
A bad mistake, but one I made.
Yeah, that was confusing. Boring and staid is not Joe Biden.
Uh, Biden isn’t seriously rich.
You know how the press discredited her?
By asking her softball questions, like asking her which newspapers she read. “All of them,” she answered.
Or by quoting her own words, like how she was an expert on Russia because it was just a few miles away from Alaska across the Bering Strait.
If you have evidence to the contrary, the floor is yours.
This reminds me of the difference between affirmative action and the wingnut view of affirmative action. The point of affirmative action is to give qualified women and minorities a chance to prove themselves, rather than find doors closed in their face before they even get a chance to show what they can do.
The wingnut view of it - which has pretty much taken over the GOP - is that it’s all about promoting unqualified women and minorities. So from time to time they do that, then think they deserve a cookie. Palin is a classic for-instance.
Not that. The rush to get to Alaska to get dirt on her. In particular the guy that moved into the house next to her to monitor what she was up to.
Creepy.
But you don’t care, it’s the opposition.
You’re twisting what she said. But that’s alright. I’m sure if she could re-do it she’d say and act differently.
It works for Clinton, why not Palin?
[QUOTE=RTFirefly;19692510The wingnut view of it - which has pretty much taken over the GOP - is that it’s all about promoting unqualified women and minorities. So from time to time they do that, then think they deserve a cookie.[/QUOTE]
Huh. I always thought it was the Democrats who supported affirmative action. You’re implying they shouldn’t, right?
Erhm McCain and Romney were not centrist by any stretch of the imagination. Both of them ran on platforms that would have gutted Social Security and Medicare, give massive tax cuts to the wealthy, wage an aggressive foreign policy severely increasing the risk of war with Iran, and so on. On most issues besides his policy of a ban on Islam, Trump is the same as previous GOP nominees or even an improvement in some cases. Also its telling that “centrist” Republicans like Chris Christie and Rudy Giuliani have been some of Trump’s biggest cheerleaders.
Yes, that was creepy, but what does some creep have to do with this discussion?
Was he Sidney Blumenthal, or what? 
No, “I can see Russia from my house!” was twisting what she said. But in a funny way. 
Maybe you should re-read what I said. Short version: Dems support affirmative action; Repubs caricature it, then when they promote some ignorant airhead based on gender or race, clearly confuse their caricature with the real thing, because they think that’s what affirmative action actually is.
I’m seeing this idea getting pushed hard by conservative pundits and thinkers. Obviously trying their best to shift blame of Trump away from themselves.
Here’s the thing: In the story, half the village didn’t throw open the gates and call out “Here, wolfie, wolfie, wolfie!”. When the wolf entered, that half’s leaders didn’t stand around saying “Well, I don’t agree with him eating our flocks, but he’s still a pretty good wolf.” That a wolf is in the village is 100% the GOP’s mess, not the Democrat’s fault for pointing out how bad it is.
On the plus side, I guess the Democrats can nominate the literal zombie corpse of Stalin in eight years and say “Remember when you called Obama a communist? This is really YOUR fault!”
Because there’s something “more” to it when your side does it?
Is that what you’re implying? Holy crap.
What do you or does your side do to make it “more” on your side but not the Republicans?
Doing research on her, the horror. Trump would be in better shape if he did it on himself.
Didn’t you read the stuff about her that came out after the election? The McCain people said that she had no interest in learning anything about the world. That’s what came out in the interviewz, that was what came out in the debate.
Do you know how she got picked? She invited a cruise full of right-wingers to the governors mansion and wined and dined them. That she did well. Kristol pushed her to McCain. There was a hope that women who supported Hillary would support her just because she was a woman, which is almost Trumpian in its sexism.
There were competent Republican women in 2008. Palin was not one of them.
And you clearly only see the racist right wing idea of how affirmative action works.
I thought she was, simply because she’s a woman.
Don’t tell some Democrats voting for Hillary that.
Explain it to me then. I don’t see how your side is any different.
If you think Palin was qualified, you either weren’t paying attention or are no more qualified than she is. Probably even less. Hillary is plenty qualified. She has a law degree from Yale even before she was elected Senator. Remember. she was the first lady who got people mad by being involved in policy. Or do you think no woman is qualified for public office?
The affirmative action practiced in the companies I’ve worked for involves reaching out to schools we might not usually go to for good minority applicants. It does not involve hiring anyoen unqualified. It also involves keeping track of numbers, because our impressions of how good a job we do with diversity is usually better than reality - even if we mean well.
I wrote “both very centrist.”
Touché. Could we compromise and agree on
“McCain and Romney are almost as least insane as it gets in the post-rational GOP.”
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I think you’d have to be really sensitive to feel that McCain was portrayed as an extremist unless you’re going to decide to count every internet commenter as the same as a spokesman of the Obama campaign or feel that saying “My guy will be a better President” is wrong.
The 2008 fight between Obama and McCain was just about the cleanest campaign of my lifetime.
Even Saturday Night Live was nice to McCain. Palin, not so much. For that matter, while there were lots of nasty attacks on Obama by certain Republican partisans, I don’t remember the McCain campaign engaging in any below the belt attacks.
On a more personal note, I was genuinely impressed when McCain cut off that woman at his rally who was spewing racist crap against Obama.