This hasn't been pitted yet? Woman dies in hospital when 911 refuses her (Major RO)

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[QUOTE=Rubystreak]
It’s not plausible because any sane person would a) call the police and prosecute, b) sue the fuck out of the hospital c) what with the bruises and witnesses and her gravid state, win criminal and civil suits and d) be all over the news, very likely.

If lee’s story is true, and she never pressed charges or pursued it any further, she is either a moron or… it never happened. I’ll wait to see what, if anything, she says before I decide which.
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Not to mention the fact that, as far as my search goes, this is the first time it’s been mentioned on these boards. Not that every single thing in a poster’s life makes it to the boards, but **lee **does tend to share the details of her life and I’d be surprised if she went through an ordeal like that and didn’t mention it.

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I’m wondering how someone could have a healthy baby after such an experience.

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[QUOTE=lorene]
I don’t think they’d be beating an unconscious pregnant woman in the middle of a crowded ER.
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I think she was outside of the ER when the alleged beatings took place.

Perhaps they were pulling their punches. You know, keeping up appearances but not really causing the internal injuries like they could. Can’t let it be known that women can get away with passing out while pregnant in Chi-town. Take that shit to DuPage county.

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For fuck’s sake, let’s lay off of lee and get back to the topic at hand…the shit treatment this woman got.

I don’t consider this recreational outrage. This is just one more example of the crap health care system we have in the US. Assloads of money in this country and yet no decent care available for a large portion of the population. Hospitals staffed with workers most of us wouldn’t let treat our pets, let alone ourselves. Substandard care if you do get put into the hospital. Ridiculous costs associated with health care.

We got problems in the country and no one really seems interested in solving them. My state has made some efforts in improving health care availability to un- or under-insured people, but we have a long way to go.

My 2-year old grandson had to travel 200 miles to get a MRI because no one locally will do sedation MRIs on children. They then expected my unemployed, broke-ass daughter to stay in Seattle for 3 days until the results came back, so that if treatment was needed she could have it done there because we live in a shitty place for good health care and even the doctors realize it. I could not finance that long of a stay in Seattle for her so I had them come home–fully realizing that I would be paying to send them back over there if treatment was necessary. Fortunately, the MRI came back clean and all is well with the boy.

I want to be able to live here, in a agricultural area without too many people. However, I hate the fact that we get less than stellar health care options here. I could go on and on, but I think I’ll leave my personal issues with health care now, and move on to bitching in other threads.

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Well, some staffers at that hospital are getting letters telling them how to behave in the future:

That’ll teach 'em. :dubious:

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[QUOTE=Rilchiam]
I’m wondering how someone could have a healthy baby after such an experience.
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If events unfolded as described, I’m betting those weren’t security guards. They were secret agents sent from the Vatican to stomp out Satan’s whelp from being born thereby saving us all from 1.000 years of darkness and evil under the dominion of this newborn anti-christ.

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I was beaten by hospital security guards once. My injuries were so bad they had to take me to the hospital.

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With regard to what Stretch posted, do countries with good health care systems not have regional differences, too? I mean, if you live in the boonies, you’re in the boonies, right? Or do socialised health care systems post superior medical professionals in out of the way sparsely populated areas?

Not a slam at any poster, I really want to know.

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[QUOTE=stretch]
My 2-year old grandson had to travel 200 miles to get a MRI because no one locally will do sedation MRIs on children.
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Do you think this is a result of a mismanaged system or just being a remote location? That’s a highly specialized piece of equipment that not every hospital can justify having also requiring a highly trained and skilled doctor.

This is an issue in Europe where smaller hospitals don’t have advanced imagining equipment and the culture doesn’t demand it. Granted, the increased population density in Western Europe helps keep things closer but they still have to travel if they live in a small town and want an MRI or CT or PET scan.

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[QUOTE=kidchameleon]
I think she was outside of the ER when the alleged beatings took place.

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Depending on which of** lee**'s posts in this thread you read, she was either in the ER, had backed out of the ER, or was in a wheelchair on the maternity ward when the beatdown occurred.

Stretch, I agree that the pertinent issue here is a wretched healthcare system. You know what doesn’t help create change? People making hyperbolic or untrue claims. They take away from the real issues.

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[QUOTE=lorene]
Depending on which of** lee**'s posts in this thread you read, she was either in the ER, had backed out of the ER, or was in a wheelchair on the maternity ward when the beatdown occurred.
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I don’t know who lee is or what her record for truth-telling is (though I did a double take when I read “and security guards began beating me” part of her first post, and thought “Whaaaa?”) but I think you’re confusing the intimidation in the maternity ward with the earlier beating in the ER.

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This just in, boys and girls- no disciplinary action of any kind will be taken against any of the King-Harbor employees involved in the woman’s death. Several will get a letter outlining what is expected of them at their jobs, though.

:rolleyes:

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[QUOTE=chorpler]
I don’t know who lee is or what her record for truth-telling is (though I did a double take when I read “and security guards began beating me” part of her first post, and thought “Whaaaa?”) but I think you’re confusing the intimidation in the maternity ward with the earlier beating in the ER.
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lee lives in a parallel dimension where ordinary people and things become threatening and scary, and women are impregnated by powerful woman sperm provided by another shemale. Pick up a large box of salt to take with any of her posts. :wink:

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[QUOTE=NoClueBoy]
With regard to what Stretch posted, do countries with good health care systems not have regional differences, too? I mean, if you live in the boonies, you’re in the boonies, right? Or do socialised health care systems post superior medical professionals in out of the way sparsely populated areas?

Not a slam at any poster, I really want to know.
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Well, the boonies are realitive. I live Washington. Seattle is fucking huge and well populated for my state. Spokane is fairly big too. However, my county has less than 250,000 people in it. Apparenlty this means that good doctors won’t live here.

I live less than 10 miles from the “big city” of Yakima. There are two hospitals here. There appears to be a veritable assload of doctors’ offices and medical clinics. And yet, the one radiology center in town doesn’t do sedation MRI. I supposed if it had been an emergency they may have knocked him out at one of the hospitals and done the MRI there.

The current crop of snowbirds who live here in the summer and Arizona in the winter tend to save up their health visits for when they are up here, so I guess the wilds of Arizona have even crappier service or they are just used to the shit service they get here and won’t trade it for something better.

But I predict that the oldies who are retiring to this side of the mountains because it isn’t far to Seattle are going to either demand a health infrastructure that will support them or migrate back to the westside for the health care they are going to want.

That will not help my grandkid get good health care now. And I’m not talking about “socialized” health care necessarily, though what we have now sure sucks and used to be done a whole lot better.

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[QUOTE=EJsGirl]
This just in, boys and girls- no disciplinary action of any kind will be taken against any of the King-Harbor employees involved in the woman’s death. Several will get a letter outlining what is expected of them at their jobs, though.

:rolleyes:
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Here is a link to the Los Angeles Times story about the followup.

I would think the usual followup would include extensive retraining of personnel as to their duties and responsibilities and how to carry them out. Training is mentioned casually way down in the story.

And forty lashes on the foresking with a letter doesn seem a little mild. Unless their actions were close to the normal routine that is.

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[QUOTE=NoClueBoy]
With regard to what Stretch posted, do countries with good health care systems not have regional differences, too? I mean, if you live in the boonies, you’re in the boonies, right? Or do socialised health care systems post superior medical professionals in out of the way sparsely populated areas?

Not a slam at any poster, I really want to know.
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Yeah, things can get pretty bad that way in rural Australia too. The instance I’m most familiar with is obstetric services, which seem to be disappearing from country areas at an alarming rate.

There was an incident last year (which I now can’t find online) where a woman and her husband were simply turned around at the hospital door and sent off to drive, by themselves, 200km to the next hospital, to give birth to a stillborn baby. Then there’s this case , also from last year.

One of the perils of living in a large widely-dispersed, sparsely populated continent, basically.

However, (to get briefly back on topic), the callousness described in the OP’s link is a new one on me. That really does sound like an appalling hospital.

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[QUOTE=Mosier]
Count me in on the side that says the 911 operator guy was a complete dick, but that there was nothing he could realistically do.

“It’s not an emergency!”
“Yes it is! She’s dying!”
“NO IT’S NOT!”

when a woman is dying on the floor of a hospital waiting room. Fuck you, 911 operator. Even though you couldn’t have helped, you were still an asshole about it.

From what I understand, that hospital was already in some serious trouble. I feel bad for the people in the area if it gets shut down, but it sounds like the place had been awful for a long time to me.
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He wasn’t being a dick at all. Frankly, he had a lot more patience than I would have had.

Again, what is he supposed to do?

Send another ambulance to pick her up and take her to another hospital?

Call up the hospital and tell the doctors there how they should be doing their job? (“Hi, I’m a 911 operator, with no medical training. A woman I don’t know, who also has no medical training, thinks you aren’t treating your patients in the right order…”)

Or get her off the phone, so that he’d have a chance at taking a call from someone he might actually be able to help?

This is classic after-the-fact thinking. We know the woman was dying (since she did, in fact, die). We know she wasn’t getting treatment that she needed. The 911 operator didn’t know any of those things.

Moreover, even if he had known them, there was still nothing he could do.

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[QUOTE=danceswithcats]
lee lives in a parallel dimension where ordinary people and things become threatening and scary, and women are impregnated by powerful woman sperm provided by another shemale. Pick up a large box of salt to take with any of her posts. :wink:
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Oh shit, now we’re in for it. You just HAD to bring that up, didn’t you? Now they’ll never let us hear the end of it.

:wink:

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[QUOTE=stretch]
The current crop of snowbirds who live here in the summer and Arizona in the winter tend to save up their health visits for when they are up here, so I guess the wilds of Arizona have even crappier service or they are just used to the shit service they get here and won’t trade it for something better.

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Damn. I’d take offense, but according to this you’re probably right. Except for the wilds of Arizona part. Jeez, are you one of those people who think we still have cattle roaming the dirt roads here? On the other hand, we tell the snowbirds a lot of things to get them to go away.

Oh, and we have a Mayo and are pretty well set up for MRIs. So nyah.

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[QUOTE=EJsGirl]
This just in, boys and girls- no disciplinary action of any kind will be taken against any of the King-Harbor employees involved in the woman’s death. Several will get a letter outlining what is expected of them at their jobs, though.

:rolleyes:
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That’s not really true. The triage nurse responsible for the incident was placed on leave, is being investigated, and apparently has resigned. The other employees who were present at the time apparently did communicate to the triage nurse that she needed to do something. Granted, they should have done more, but since they weren’t responsible, and did bring up the matter with the person who was responsible, a disciplinary letter seems appropriate to me. I assume the letter will go in their personnel files, so that does constitute a disciplinary action. Should everyone who was working that night be fired? I don’t know that I’d agree with that. We don’t know what the other employees’ duties and responsibilities were. Should the janitor be fired because he didn’t help her? I think curing sick people is a little outside the scope of janitorial duties. Maybe there’s something in the video that I don’t know about, but I’m not sure I understand the beef with the janitor cleaning the floor around her? It seems to imply that it would somehow have been better for him to leave her vomit on the floor rather than cleaning it up.