Thanks for the additional info. While I can respect the original complaint, I think it’s dumb to ban such jokes across the board. Seems to me this is better left as a context - based decision, as What Exit seemed to imply it was.
There is definitely bias against the right here, among the userbase and the mods. I think it’s just the nature of the beast. If you are on the left and someone says something far-left, the distance from your opinion is smaller than if someone says something from the far right, which is so far from your beliefs that it may sound stupid or trollish.
But the people on the left certainly get away with far more in the way of insults than do people on the right. Maybe it’s just because they don’t get reported.
For example, this thread:
…got so out of control with insults that the mod shut it down. But no warnings were issued. And it was revived in the pit so the beatings could continue. I believe I had another theead actually moved to the pit by a mod because so many people were violating the rules with insults, rather than punish the people doing the insulting.
There’s another kind of jerkish behaviour that we on the right face constantly, and that’s the third-party pile-on, which goes like this:
Conservative poster ‘Bob’: Poster 1, I think A,B, and C.
Poster 1: Cite?
Poster 2: Don’t bother. Bob will just come up with a garbage cite.
Poster 3: Bob doesn’t know what he’s talking about anyway.
Poster 4: Hey Bob, remember when you were wrong in 2007? How about that?
Poster 5: Hell, Bob still hasn’t given me a cite that I asked him for last year.
Poster 6: Why even bother? I put Bob on ignore a long time ago.
Poster 7: Yeah, it’s not worth it.
Poster 8: I started a pit thread about Bob. Come on everyone!
I don’t know where the rules are on this type of off-topic and ad-hominem pile-on, but this is the kind of repeated behaviour that in my opnion has caused some of the long-time conservatives on this board to flame out.
And don’t ever move a thread to the pit. It’s wildly unfair to the thread creator, who now either has to abandon the topic and let people insult them without response, or suffer the insults to continue.
Nice self-serving fantasy you’ve concocted there. Got any real examples?
Try the thread I just linked. And ‘self-serving fantasy’ sure sounds like an insult.
By the way, I made up that ‘self-serving fantasy’ because I didn’t want to drag any specific posters into it. But I think everyone has seen examples of it - not just directed at me, but against many of the uncool kids around here.
This is common moderator behavior for any thread that gets out of control and has been for years. It’s a judgment call whether to close something or move it to the Pit but when the fur is flying and several posters are deserving of warnings it’s just easier for a mod to trash the whole thing. IOW, I don’t think this is a personal slight against conservatives so much as a way moderators operate across the board.
211 posts there Sam, can we get a post number where it starts?
And, yes, I have seen threads with stuff somewhat like that, but your example seems quite a bit stronger than any I have seen. Several of those posts would get a poster warned or at least noted, such as 4 and 6.
I have said this before but this place is arrakis for conservative views and disneyland for progressive ones.
When I express my more progressive views, the treatment and moderations is different than when i oppose progressive views.
I don’t think I have ever been moderated when arguing for a progressive position. Posters supporting progressive views are allowed more latitude in writing posts that are meant to be insulting to the less progressive posters. Opposing progressive views seem to flag you with a rebuttable presumption of being a jerk, while the progressive has his heart in the right place.
What do you mean?
Is there any chance that the position isn’t being moderated so much as how the position is presented?
I’d say my views on racism are very progressive, but I’ve been moderated more for them than anything else here. So mileage varies.
More importantly, moderation should not depend on whether or not they are resonant with the board’s meta ideology.
Perhaps, but my argument style doesn’t really change based on whether I am supporting a progressive position or opposing a progressive position. When debate descend into insults I will frequently punch back (and progressive posters seem to be able to get away with much more insulting posts before moderation) but I get crappy behavior directed at me by conservative poster as well and when I punch back at them, I don’t get moderated. When I started on this board there was far more diversity of ideology and even handed moderation.
Can you describe how your progressive views are moderated differently from your conservative views? What conservative views do you hold?
I’m all for people having all the guns they want, and that’s never even come close to any moderation.
Same here.
I don’t think I’ve been moderated on debates about guns either.
Dude, take the L. You walked into P&E with the political equivalent of Flat Earth Theory. You didn’t realize it at the time, but that’s what happened. You don’t seem to realize it even now, since you’re reminding us all about it.
This should be a learning experience for you. Do not trust Donald Trump to tell the truth, about anything, ever. Believe only that which you can personally verify from a source that isn’t in his pocket, or dependent on his supporters.
Just a few hours back there was Mod Note for a sexual attractiveness quip over in the Sidney Powell thread, so yes, if it’s off-topic or part of a repeated pattern it’s likely to get attention.
Possibly, but even if, say, someone expresses a viewpoint in wrath, that is heavily subjective. One man’s jerkish tirade is another man’s righteous anger. One man’s profanity-laden invective is another man’s cathartic and necessary purging of frustration. One man’s straw man is another man’s unique and insightful portrayal of his opponents.
That’s why the Mods get the big bucks-to find that place between “Why have any rules at all?” and “You may only use this set of words and post these specific opinions”.
And good riddance to that kind of “humor”. Whatever your feelings on Powell, she doesn’t post here; you’re not making HER uncomfortable with that kind of joke. But you do make this place more hostile to the women who ARE here.