I think Obama has proposed building a time machine and a team of mercenaries to travel into the future and assassinate any politician who would try to expand UHC. Is that what the OP was looking for?
What I make of it is this: you may think you have health insurance, but you only have the promise of health insurance, a promise you cannot enforce and a promise that depends entirely on the generosity of people out to make a buck.
What are you gonna do if they fuck you? Hire a lawyer? They got fifty, all of them highly paid, expert in this area of law, and with the ethical compass of a Shanghai street whore. And if you lose?
Don’t kid yourself, you don’t have health insurance.
My point exactly.
It’s a rental car guarantee!
In 2000 and 2004 the repubs declared our healthcare system was going to bankrupt the country. Yet when we try to fix it, they declare it the best system in the world. It is number 37 . If paying more than double for such a crappy system is logical, then good for you. A lot of Americans are going abroad for medical care. It is far cheaper and gets better results.
The repub fight against reform is 100 percent political. They are fighting every program Obama offers. They are trying to keep from being even more irrelevant than they already are. But, when they declared we had to fix the system to keep from going bankrupt, how can they defend fighting changing it?
Entitlement Programs:
Social Security Overhead: <1%
Medicare Overhead: 2-5%
Administrative Cost for Canada’s Gov. Healthcare: 16%
Private Programs:
Life insurance Overhead: 12-14%
Private Health Insurance Overhead (low estimate): 10-15%
Private Health Insurance Overhead (higher estimate): 31% or >31%
Obama should ask himself WWJD? and the answer will be clear.
No, not Jesus. I’m saying he should ask what Jack Ryan would do.
And the answer, as I said, is clear. Obama should set up a secret government agency and issue a bunch of blank Presidential pardons (the special ones where you can fill in the name and crime later and still have them work anywhere, even in foreign countries). That way the secret organization can have people (ideally Obama’s own family members) do whatever it takes to keep his programs running the right way even if the wrong person gets elected later on.
It appears that we’re not likely to find out our answers of the OP, since they seem to have abandoned this thread about 10 minutes after starting it.
Then why all the ranting from the right about abortion and euthansia? Too many children being born and too many old people being kept alive is what causes the need for entitlement programs to increase.
I must say that as far as I can tell, this pretty much nails it as far as the Dutch view of the US medical system is concerned. Most people here do not want a system where breaking your leg might mean you lose your job and your house.
Because the right places greater value on human life than does the left. Note the number of lefties around here who think it’s perfectly reasonable to deny operations, implants, transplants and other potentially expensive health care options from the elderly, the congenitally infirm, etc. because it isn’t cost-effective in terms of their future life expectancy and/or ability to contribute to society.
Note also the number of lefties already who are saying they don’t want to pay for heart bypasses for obese people or liver transplants for alcoholics, etc.
Lefties favor health care by spreadsheet and nanny-state government. As long as it’s “fair” and evil people who have managed to earn money don’t get better treatment, they don’t really care much about individual life or quality of life beyond that.
Ah, this explains your support of the Bush Administration’s policy of torturing people; you value human life.
Pretty much, yeah. I think it’s pretty widely acknowledged that torturing certain terrorists has saved a goodly number of innocent lives and provided information that has allowed us to know what to look for in preventing other deaths.
Pretty good trade-off in my opinion.
For the sake of the troops, how about you stop making things up?
It’s a good thing private insurance companies don’t do that.
Wait, what?
How many times do you have to be proven wrong on this particular point before you drop it from your platform?
Okay, here it is: Cite? :dubious::dubious::dubious:
And not just Cheney’s saying so, without even a single example.
Sarah?
Hey, congrats on that “death panel” thing. Looks like you weren’t so dumb after all, huh? Pretty brilliant actually how you managed with those two simple words to turn the tide nationally against big-brother health care. No wonder the left has been so frightened of you since the election. Keep up the good work.
kthxbye
Yeah, wait/what. For the 4,852nd time, insurance companies are bound by contractual obligation! That is why they employ the armies of employees that they do to pore over a claimant’s claim looking for things that might exempt or disqualify them from coverage. If they don’t find an exclusion, then they’re on the hook.
The government however can say, “Nope, you’re too old/fat/drunk/drugged-up/whatever so you don’t qualify” and nobody can do a thing about it.
What part of this is so hard to understand?
Nope, that’s no more true than the right’s claim that ‘everyone believed’ Saddam had WMD’s.
Even though we are the world’s sole remaining super power we do not make our own reality, and repeating a lie over and over still cannot make it true.
You think wrong. It’s not widely acknowledged, it’s falsely claimed by the same few again and again. Not that it would matter. Since you’re arguing that it’s okay to torture people, your claim that you respect human life is obviously false. That you’ve managed to fool yourself into thinking torture is acceptable means nothing to me.