Whoops,
submitted too early. Vegan children too.
and Jar?
I agree. I’m a vegan and am damn OUTRAGED at these morons. People think we’re crazy enough as it is, idiots like this are NOT making us look any better.
So, Macro Man, because you’re unable to grasp the concept that quotes means Not really, we have to spell out every single thing we mean, lest you fly off the handle? Give me a break. It seems everyone else in this thread understood the OP. You’re the only one who went ballistic on it.
J
Yep, completely unnecessary, because everyone knows that Colombian, Russian, Italian and Chinese car thieves, or black and yellow serial killers, or brown and pink gang bangers are not damned (insert rolleyes here)
Stop being so damned sensitive. The couple are vegans (in their own minds) and their mad (as in crazy). Description, IMNSHO, is therefore valid.
Not every descriptive term is meant to portray every member of the whole group. 99%+ of the people reading this, and a large majority of those outside of the SDMB, will know it doesn’t portray each and every vegan. Those that do think these nimrods are an accurate portrayal of all vegans need a brain cell infusion, so that they can become literate enough to read past the first paragraph of every article I’ve read, where it says proper vegan diets can be appropriate and that this couple was just hopelessly stupid.
Ummm… I only came into this thread because I saw the word “vegans” (with quotation marks) in the subject line and knew exactly who it was about. Therefore I would say it was a good descriptive subject line, no matter if it’s technically inaccurate. I don’t think any of us have mistaken those people for vegans.
Surely the couple in question are mentally ill, and therefore will have to be supervised if they’re to have another child? The father is obsessed with keeping the child skin and bones and says he’ll do the same with the next one (wonder if they’ll name it Fire), plus there’s the whole drug use thing… is this enough to get children’s services to step in and protect the child? Or do they have to starve it for a while first?
she’s missing a tooth, too?!
This is my point. These two contradictory quotes, taken from the same post, are from the person who started the thread. So was the diet vegan or not, Istara? If it was not vegan, don’t call it such.
And BTW, I grasp the concept of quotations, Jar. The OP’s quote referred to vegans and vegan diets without any qualifications from Istara. If you are going to appropriate some else’s words for your purposes, all I ask is that you make sure they mean what you intend. The OP’s quote essentially cancelled out the quotation marks in the thread title, in my opinion.
macro man, do you believe that anyone in this thread thinks these people are normal vegans with normal vegan beliefs, and if so, who? I assure you, I do not. And I don;'t think Istara does either, and we shouldn’t have to put a fucking disclaimer or “qualifications” on every single thing we write, lest you take it the wrong way.
Also, it pains me that basically you’re more concerned with semantics and/or how it makes you as a vegan (if indeed you are) look in the public eye rather than what a couple of screwoffs these parents are.
When the baby was delivered, she only weighed three pounds!! Her mother must not have had a proper prenatal diet. Probably because her hubby was worried about her putting on extra “unnatural weight”. My reaction requires a lot of smilies, so sorry.
:rolleyes: :eek: :mad:
I pointed out two different posts (including the OP) where, I believe, the OP referred to these people as vegans. They are not. Istara’s second post was contradictory and offered no more clarification. In the thread Istara tries to say s/he doesn’t believe these people are “true/Sane(?)” vegans, whatever that means. Istara then goes on to state that the a vegan diet, sans breast milk, landed this poor child in the hospital. I would hope you could see where I’d be getting mixed signals about the OP’s meaning. I interpret things as I see them from my point of view. This point of view obviously differs from yours.
Since you brought it up, I am vegetarian, but not vegan. It was the right choice for me, and I happily grill up hotdogs, chicken, etc for my son and wife .
As far as my concern for the child goes, I would like nothing better than for someone to climb a tree outside the courthouse with a deer rifle and remove this human garbage from the gene pool. Many people are attracted to vegetarian/veganism in a effort help the voiceless souls in this world. This was the driving factor that made me give up meat 12 years ago.
Can you explain what this means? You lost me here.
Cows can’t scream?
Oh, okay. I was interpreting it to mean that Macro Man’s vegetarianism was somehow better for all the human babies in the world, and I couldn’t understand the logic in that. It makes sense if one believes that animals have souls.
Your views on eating meat aside Macro Man, putting words in quotes has come to mean-- on this board at least-- an ironic sort of sarcasm. (I believe that even IRL air quotes [using your fingers to make the quote sign] mean the same thing.)
Now, you can argue that you didn’t know what the quotes around the word “vegan” means, but you shouldn’t go around telling everyone else what the OP actually meant.
To recap: Just because YOU didn’t understand doesn’t mean ISTARA should not have used the perfectly understood by the rest of the board convention as irony quotes.
I don’t believe there is much separating humans from other animals. Humans manipulate their environment better, and we have developed a complex method of communication. That’s pretty much it. Other than that, we are all feeling beings, to some degree. I don’t wish to have a theological or religious argument about this statement.
There are certain beings in this world that are not as adept at defending themselves as others. Children are one. Animals are another.
As a physically strong, relatively affluent (compared to humanity as a whole), intelligent being, I have a certain responsibility to help those less fortunate than myself whenever I can. One way I can do this is to try to ensure the other beings I consume are as low on the evolutionary scale as possible. Another way I can do this is to protect children as much as possible. Despite what some people believe, those who make concerted efforts to help animals usually make more, not less, effort to protect children. This is my experience, please don’t ask for a cite.
When someone hurts a child, I do indeed fill with rage. I chose not to express that rage in this particular thread.
I have no way of telling what the OP actually meant, other than my interpretation of the two posts from Istara. Both are contradictory, IMO, and I’ve only tried to point out that these contradictions are what caused the OP to ruffle my feathers.
Instead you chose to hijack this thread by expressing your rage over what is basically a semantical error on a subject that’s already being thoroughly battled in another thread.
If you don’t mind, we’d like to spend our time in here devising tortures for the Disciple of Nutmeats who starves his children to near death.
The diet was a vegan diet sans breastmilk, which is exactly what she called it. There’s a normal vegan diet for a baby which includes breastmilk. Then you take out the breastmilk. Now you have a normal vegan diet sans breastmilk. This is what the kid was fed and what killed it.*
The only problem in this thread is your insistence on taking everything the wrong way.
–John
*Actually, I think I remember the parents feeding the kid cod liver oil, which is another deviation from the vegan diet, but istara may have forgotten to mention that, or thought that it wasn’t that important. Still doesn’t justify you flipping out.
If I feed my baby a steady diet of shredded newspaper and water, is that also a vegan diet? There’s no meat or animal products in it. What if I just wanted to call it vegan? Probably not. These parents fed their child what amounted to an abusive diet, and labeled it vegan.
hence, the OP putting the word vegan in quotes.
Speaking of contradictory…:rolleyes: