If instead of Dunk just visualize Cannonballing into the water. It’s funner.
That’s incredibly picky.
There is nothing disrespectful about referring to someone who has been dunked in water as having been “dunked in water.”
It’s plain English.
What word or wording would you prefer?
Wow, I’ve never seen a well-respected dictionary, of all things, accused of bias before.
Paranoid much?
So if someone acts like me, even though they aren’t me and I’ve been dead for years, and that person who says they are me, but isn’t, gets dunked in water then my soul gets a chance to choose something in the afterlife. But, if no one actually stands in my place and gets dunked then there is no hope. What the hell is that? Why not just have a person stand in and say “I now represent every person that has ever been or will be born” dunk them, and be done? Do you think god is going to come down and ask for all your lists of names? Unbloodylikely.
emarkp, maybe you ought to quit while you’re ahead.
The etymology of “dunk” goes back to the Old High German dunke, and entered the English language by way of the Pennsylvania Dutch (German Baptist Brethren) at the beginning of the eighteenth century. It was used exclusively to refer to the baptismal rite for a long time before it was ever applied to anything as mundane as a doughnut.
So if you are concerned with the propriety of the terminology, find some other word to describe immersion in coffee or taking a ball to the hoop. People are dunked at baptism. Unless they’re from one of those sects that use sprinkles. (Which brings us back to deep-fried doughy snacks. Wanna make something of it?)
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As far as I can see, you still haven’t.
Rhum Runner, no more unlikely than any other religion’s claims on how God goes about dispencing heaven and hell. Mormons are no more “wacky” than the vast majority of Americans in this regard.
Holy smokes, this is rich! Here you are baptising the souls of Jews who were murdered in the holocaust into your Jesus-believing faith and you take offense at the use of the word ‘dunk’?
We don’t want, like or appreciate your door-to-door missionary crap while we’re alive on earth. What in heaven’s name makes you think we’d have any interest in it once we’re dead? Can you even begin to fathom any group of people more likely to be willing to convert to whatever faith would save them from torture, torment and gruesome death, if they were so inclined to reject their own, than the Jews of the holocaust? And yet, they held steadfastly to their convictions and their faith! Does that tell you nothing?
HOW DARE YOU TRY TO DESECRATE THEIR SOULS WITH YOUR CRAP?!
The more I think about this, the more incensed I become.
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That is absolutely fascinating. I really had no idea. Current usage that I’ve seen tends more to refer to things rather than people, or people in a humorous context.
I’ll take your advice and retract my objection to the word. It was simply jarring to read.
I am unaware with any laws or customs outside of LDS with respect to this. The LDS church asks members to focus on their own direct ancestors for the purpose of proxy ordinances. We are encouraged to research our family history as much as we can, and to keep accurate records while we are living (including regular journals, etc.).
Shayna, the Holocaust wasn’t like the Inquisition. The Nazis didn’t let anyone go just for converting. Being killed in the Holocaust was not a measure of the strength of your religious faith. It was a measure of whether the Nazis thought you were ethnically Jewish (or gay or romani or …)
If the afterlife is so screwed up that Mormons performing baptism for you will affect your future against your will, we’re all screwed.
Y’know, I really don’t see what’s so bad about this.
Visiting door-to-door to extol the virtues of my all-powerful scrote wasn’t working, so for years I’ve been going to cemeteries, writing down the names of people and baptizing them into the Church of DarkPrince’s Hairy Ballsack.
This consists of getting totally drunk on vodka, then hoarsely yelling their name out while dunking the wrinkled sacraments into a sinkful of ice-cold water.
Though the other people in the train station restroom give me odd looks, I haven’t received any complaints from the deceased yet, so they MUST be happier now that they’re in the Church of the Shaggy Teabag.
Anyone want some pamphlets? Anyone? How about you there in the back covering your child’s eyes. No? Well then, I guess I’ll see you all Sunday at ungodlyhourofthemorning o’clock.
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Thank you. I’ll be sure to spare your brain.
If you’re going to use the full name of the church (instead of simply ‘Mormon’) I’d be grateful if you didn’t drop Christ out of it. It’s The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. (And I know no disrespect is intended, so please take this as gentle correction).
I’ll address the issue of respect, since that seems to be the most used word in this thread. However, please understand that even we don’t believe that when performing the a proxy baptism that we’re baptizing anyone “into” our church. We hope they will accept it, but we do not know, nor do we claim to generally know whether an individual has accepted anything.
Nice way to misrepresent Orthodox belief. The Orthodox Church teaches that it is the only sure way to salvation, and that everything outside the Church is a big question mark. Those who die outside the Church will be judged by God as He sees fit, and the Church makes no pronouncement on their ultimate fate. We can pray that God will have mercy on them, but any idea of baptism for the dead is, for the Orthodox, complete nonsense.
Rico is basically correct about this. Sons of perdition include the devil and his angels (those who followed him) and others who reject God and Christ while having a perfect knowledge of the truth.
My apologies for misrepresenting the Orthodox position. I consider myself corrected. It is true that I have spent less time understanding Orthodoxy than other groups under the umbrella of Christianity.
Most of my anecdotal evidence of Russian Orthodoxy comes from my brother-in-law. I know that Mormon baptism isn’t good enough for them. But then Russian Orthodox baptism wasn’t Russian Orthodox enough for my BIL. He had to be baptized again when he was in Russia to marry his wife in her church.
Spiritual rape.
Where can I sign up to NEVER be baptized after my death? I find it hugely insulting and incredibly distrubing.
That is incorrect. Being dunked (better Larry Mudd? :)) accomplishes nothing if there isn’t sincere belief accompanying it. Which is why the proxy ordinance is not efficacious if the departed do not desire it.
What I want to know is, if they’re just doing it so they’ll have a chance, why can’t GOD just give them that chance, whether someone has done the baptism or not?
I do appreciate the genealogical work the Mormon church does.
However, the baptism of the dead-EVEN IF ONE CAN REJECT IT, still bothers me. In the past, I have read of Catholic saints and martyrs being baptised and this does NOT sit well with me.
If they were wrong in life, surely GOD will give them the chance without someone making a big ceremony?
And are the proxy baptism records kept separate from the list of members or are they just listed as regular members? Because if not, then that’s really disrespectful.