Well, his opponent wasn’t very clear about whether her position was to shoot down Russian jets in Syria or not. That might have had something to do with it.
For me, it’s a random observation that seems apt in this thread.
So, HurricaneDitka, to answer your question, half of the folks on your list (1 through 4) deserve the alarmist response you’re seeing now, while the other half (5 through the 8) would (or did, in the case of Bush) deserve a more moderate “concern and disappointment” response.
Answering HurricaneDitka’s question, here’s how I’d rank the Presidencies, actual and hypothetical. I’ve left gaps where there are big gaps.
G) Bush-41
C) Romney
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E) McCain
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D) Ryan
G) Bush-43
B) Pence
H) Cheney
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F) Palin
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A) Trump
I’ve ranked Trump well below Palin. He has all her faults but, instead of just a right-wing cabal running the country while an incompetent snoozes, we’ll have a sociopathic showman involved, delighting in his special relationship with the evil Vladimir Putin
His family would and maybe a few of this retainers who’ve long been on his payroll, but not his surrogates or Pence or anyone Pence is filing out the White House with. It’ll be like watching sharks turn on an older shark at the first drop of blood.
I know intellectually I should be more afraid of Pence then Trump. But if Trump is content to sit back and let Pence run the show while he uses is office to line his pockets & settle old scores like I fear he will then it really doesn’t make a difference if Pence is setting in the Oval Office. President Pence would actually be less of a stain on the country and typing that almost makes we want to break my fingers.
Thanks. So do you think it’s fair to say that, for you, Trump’s about as bad as an average Republican, maybe a bit worse? You’d consider a President Pence a step in the wrong direction, right?
Thanks for your reply as well. For you, you sound like you’d be (relatively) relieved to have a President Pence.
So you feel like we’re currently getting the worst of both world’s: Pence’s policies and Trump’s … ummm … reputation?
I feel sorry for Barron Trump. On the night of the election he looked shell shocked (but it was pretty late at night), and this will certainly be a big change for him. From what I’ve read, he lives on his own floor at Trump Tower and attends a NYC prep school. I bet he’ll not be with his family in the White House but stay in New York. I just hope he grows up normal. He should probably talk with Amy and Chelsea and the Obama girls.
Trump himself doesn’t even want to move to the White House full time; Barron’s staying in NYC and if Barron’s not moving neither is Melania.
Pretty much. I just down have the same visceral reaction to Pence as I do Trump. As bad as Pence is I doubt think he’d have embraced the worst elements of American society for his own convenience like Trump did if he were running on his own.
How come all the anti-Trumpers who want to leave the country want to go to Canada, or Australia or New Zealand? Never Mexico, South America, South Africa, or anywhere in Asia? Do I sense overt racism? They don’t even threaten to go to Europe anymore. Maybe too many Immigrants? They talk about California becoming part of Canada, why not Mexico? Its got a stronger Mexican culture than Canadian.
Do you sense overt racism? No.
Language. They mostly speak English in Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. In Mexico, South America, and Asia, they mostly don’t. South Africa is pretty far away. You probably would have figured that out, right?
Also, Mexico is not very politically stable. There are ex-pat colonies there, however.
Lets add the Bahamas, Belize, and Jamaica. No one threatens to go there. They’re English speaking. Throw in the Philippines. Its not the language. What could it be?
You know who would prolly read your post and say “yeah; me too”? Glenn Beck. Who’da thunk it, amiright?
Anyone got a link to this video? zoo’s description has me very curious.
It’s October, 2008, and candidate Barack Obama has been caught on tape saying that he likes to “grab 'em by the pussy.”
McCain landslide.
Well, I’d call #5 on my list – Ryan – the “average Republican”, with a big gap between him and the next worst (Trump), so, no, more than a “bit” worse.
But I do agree that Pence would be a step in the wrong direction from Trump.
My random thought about the election is : Did Trump really want to be President ? Did he really think he could win ?
He wanted to be in the spotlight, no doubt about it but I have had this picture in my mind of him being woken up by his aides on election night “Congratulations ! You’ve just been elected President!” and him going “Holy ****, WTF now ?”
I just wanted to say that I’m in agreement with the general gist of most of the thoughts here.
The 9/11 analogy is very much the way I felt, and still do – literally feeling dazed and sick. And before someone tries to attack me for claiming that the two things are exactly equivalent, that’s not what I’m saying. But 9/11 permanently changed the nature of the US, the kind of country it is, and I fear that this will do the same but the changes may be worse and more profound, and may awaken the very worst aspects of white nationalism and hatred of all that is “other”, with the resurgence of social conservatism and economic catastrophe merely a dull roar in the background.
It’s not hypothetical – Bush and Cheney did win – twice – and I know how I felt. I was pissed off that the better man lost, especially in 2000. I thought the results would not be good for the country and the world, and they weren’t. But it was nothing like how I feel about this. It was nothing even remotely comparable to the sense of impending doom.
The other candidates you mention are hypotheticals, but it’s hard to imagine anyone even remotely comparing McCain or Romney to Trump. McCain and Romney were both simply conventional Republicans, and both, you may recall, were vehemently opposed to Trump, apparently as shocked as the rest of us that he was even running.
The closest thing to Trump in that list is Sarah Palin, and it’s not even close. Palin is just an ignorant yokel, more a comical hillbilly than a psychopath.
They are simply attracted to countries that have a familiar US-like culture, speak English (as ThelmaLou already said) and have a similar standard of living. Most of those other countries you named are nothing like that at all, whereas Canada is the most like the US without many of the downsides.
And I disagree with your assessment of California. It may have more Mexican food than Canada, but culturally it’s a blend of uniqueness not found in any other state or country and a culture of progressivism that is very much like Canada.
When will the 2020 election news coverage begin?
Will the news media change it’s slanted news coverage or will it be business as usual?