Thoughts on Extraterrestrial Life

I have placed this is IMHO because that is mostly what I would like to see. I am not an astro-physist or archeologist, just an amateur of both. I also am a huge fan of the space program in all of it’s forms. I say this up-front to avoid any misunderstandings derived from the nature of this post.
I have taken some time to try to organize some of the various information that has been shaping my opinion for some time now. I have not prepared a paper like this in decades so please be kind on format.
Having said this, I am curious what the minds of the Dope think about the likihood of discovering life outside of our planet? Please find my humble attempt to present my thoughts here.

All throughout human history there has been speculation on the possibility of life on other planets.  This has never been more so than it is today with the search for life ranging from Mars to the moons orbiting the great gas giants.   Recent advances have led to the identification of planets orbiting stars other than our Sun.   It is this possibility of extraterrestrial life I would like to consider.
First, I would like to make some arbitrary limits on the scope and definitions of our considerations.   There are many levels of life to consider.  For the purpose of this discussion I would like to broadly group them as Primitive Life Forms (single cell up to say jellyfish), Complex Life Forms (up to say mammals including dolphin and whales) and Intelligent Life Forms (this is to be tool-users and city builders).  
Secondly, I would like to limit the sphere of consideration to  15 parsecs or 48.9 light years.  Excluding such things as warp drive or worm holes, I think this is a distance at the margin of human travel with the foreseeable future as this would take nearly a century of in-flight time allowing for a build up of speed to even a fraction of  light and then the necessary braking.

The most recent advances in dating put the age of the Earth at 4.55 billion years. [Link](http://www.answers.com/age%20of%20the%20earth)   

It is also generally accepted that the Earth’s Moon is the result of a collision with a mars-size object called Theia Link
and sometimes referred to as “The Big Whack” and it went something like this:
“According to the hypothesis, 4.533 billion years (4.533 Ga) ago, 34 million years after the Earth formed, a Mars-sized planetesimal hit the Earth at an oblique angle, destroying the impactor and ejecting most of the impactor and a significant portion of the Earth’s felsic-rich mantle into space.”
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This accident of planetary trajectories left us with one of the largest moons in the solar system (when compared with the host planets mass) and a brand new surface of molten rock. It has been argued that the presence of this large moon and it’s proximity to the Earth have had an important, if not crucial, role in the development and subsequent evolution of life on this planet.
“The fact that there are tidal zones on the beaches of the world had an enormous effect on the way that life got started and evolved on earth. There are also tidal effects, less visible, but equally important, on the earth’s atmosphere, which influence the weather and climate. To have a large tidal effect on a planet, a moon must be not only large, but also reasonably close.”
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In addition to the tidal effects that it provides, there is a stabilizing effect on the rotation of the Earth that has created stable seasons .
“The Moon has had dramatic effects on our planet and the life that inhabits it, researchers believe. The Moon stabilizes Earth’s rotation, for example, preventing otherwise dramatic movements of the poles that would fuel climate swings that some scientists figure might have doomed any chance for life to form, let alone evolve”
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Additionally, the Earths magnetic field protects life from solar winds that otherwise would strip the atmosphere away and expose life to lethal doses of solar radiation. It is entirely likely that a significant proportion of the iron at the Earth’s core may have been contributed by Theia.
“It is likely that some of the early Martian atmosphere has been lost to space because Mars, like Venus has no substantial intrinsic magnetic field to protect the atmosphere from solar wind scavenging.”

It is my purpose here to suggest that for a planet to be of the right size and composition may not be enough to see the beginnings of life. It must also inhabit the “Goldilocks” zone of a solar orbit that is cool enough to keep water from boiling away into space but warm enough to allow liquid water for life. It must have an iron core sufficient to create a magnetic field that can protect life from cosmic rays. It must have enough mass to hold an atmosphere or an ocean rich enough to provide oxygen to life. Additionally, the presence of a moon-sized object in close orbit my be essential as well.

Having considered the planetary requirements for the origin of life, we must consider the type of life. Even after four billion years, life was still of the Primitive Life Form (PLF) type I referred to earlier.  This very long and broadly defined era was known as the Precambian.

“Nearly 4 thousand million years passed after the Earth’s inception before the first animals left their traces. This stretch of time is called the Precambrian. To speak of ‘the Precambrian’ as a single unified time period is misleading, for it makes up roughly seven-eighths of the Earth’s history. During the Precambrian, the most important events in biological history took place. Consider that the Earth formed, life arose, the first tectonic plates arose and began to move, eukaryotic cells evolved, the atmosphere became enriched in oxygen – and just before the end of the Precambrian, complex multicellular organisms, including the first animals, evolved.
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“Four thousand million years” of a lifeless planet. But once it begins, it spreads throughout the seas and continues to evolve in complexity. And then life really begins to evolve in earnest and a wide range of creatures come into being including land-dwellers very much like the dinosaurs we know and love. Even with this complexity and extremely long period of evolution, what we recognize as intelligence never shows up as a survival mechanism. Then at the end of the Permian era we find “The Great Dying” of the Permian-Triassic extinction. Very nearly all life on earth is destroyed.
“…not to be confused with the better-known Cretaceous-Tertiary extinction that signaled the end
of the dinosaurs 65 million years ago. Whatever happened during the Permian-Triassic period
was much worse: No class of life was spared from the devastation. Trees, plants, lizards,
proto-mammals, insects, fish, mollusks, and microbes – all were nearly wiped out. Roughly 9
in 10 marine species and 7 in 10 land species vanished. Life on our planet almost came to an
End.”
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The slate is very nearly wiped clean. But, remarkably, life goes on and makes a spectacular come back. Life continues to evolve and flourish for millions of years with one of the most successful branches of life we call the Dinosaurs. They are masters of this world and exist in many, many forms and develop many survival strategies. None of which is higher intelligence. In all that time and all those forms, no self-awareness or tool-making develops as far as extensive study can determine. If not for the fresh start arranged by yet another fortuitous major impact 65 million years ago, it seems unlikely that the small, frail proto-mammals could have developed the size to support a larger brain and the higher thinking it affords.

Lately, astronomers have been able to identify planets orbiting around distant stars.  There are about 40 such planets identified so far.  However, most of these planets have a greater mass than Jupiter with only three with a mass somewhat less than Saturn.   The size of these planets has come as a surprise to many but equally interesting is the fact of that planet’s distance from it’s sun and revolution period are much less than earth.  Often times these giants are completing a revolution in two to five days as opposed to 365 for Earth.

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Conjecture on these finds led some to think that near-sun giants that have formed by sweeping the inner system area of most or all of the leftover materials following the birth of a star. As likely as this seems, if this is typical what implications does this have for earth-sized planets developing inside the “Goldilocks” region in nearby systems and subsequently, what are the implications for life on other worlds in other star systems? Granted, there have been many discussions on life’s ability to thrive in the most hostile of environs like polar caps and deep sea thermal vents. However, I wonder if life could have begun there or has it stared in more accommodating surroundings and these creatures have adapted to occupy a niche? Is life beginning in such places as likely as migration and adaptation?

The Earth has been broadcasting radio signals to the stars for around 70 years now.  Since these  signals travel through space at the speed of light, in essence we have created a radio signal sphere 140 light years in diameter and radiating out every day.  A planet within the  50 L.Y. we discussed at the beginning would have been able to hear these signals for twenty years now.  I stands to reason that a planet populated with an ILF may well have discovered radio signals and even if they were only slightly ahead of us in technology we should be inundated with many channels of various communications.  It is equally likely that their broadcast lifespan would be far greater than ours and therefore their “radio wave sphere” should be many times larger than our own and even to the point of overlapping other spheres.  Yet, in the years since 1960, S.E.T.I.  has been searching vast areas of the sky only to find silence.

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In summary, my question is this. Given the following criteria:

A collision with an impactor of approximately half the mass of the proto-earth on a sufficient angle to cause a large moon in low orbit to form without destroying both worlds. In the event of mutual destruction, it is likely that a single planet would have formed much latter and would not have had a large moon.

Not one, but two major impacts creating so much damage to the environment that it almost sterilizes the planet the first time and wipes out the dominant species the second time. In both cases, artificially altering the natural progress of natural selection to allow the rise of creatures that may well not have been able to come into existence.

In both of the extremely long periods of life developing on Earth preceding the current epoch, the survival method of intelligence never arose or a rudimentary form was unable to survive long enough to flourish.
What are the possibilities of life that we might recognize as an Intelligent Life Form (ILF) might develop on a planet that is within a distance to be practical to humans. I would love to hear of life being discovered to have come into being on a world independently of the life we know. I suspect that there is a possibility of PLF within our own system. Perhaps a moon of Jupiter or Saturn will yield such a monumental discovery, perhaps even some form of Complex Life Form, but my hopes for communication with an intelligent race is tempered by my feeling that our existence here is the result of events that have proven beneficial to the development of a frail, slow, hairless, clawless creature that has survived by out smarting the other creatures with which it shares a world. Based on the two extremely long epochs that preceded our own, it would appear that the development of intelligence is a fluke, not a norm.
I fear that if the future holds a galaxy of planets populated with Intelligent Life Forms, it will be because we have made it so.

“In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves.” – Carl Sagan

Thoughts? Are we alone? Is it up to humanity to populate this part of the galaxy if we wish to see the type of interplanetary future we have dreamt about?

I think you give humans too much credit.

All we have really done is populate like rabbits, ruined a perfectly nice planet and kill each other off in wars. Gee, wonder why an intelligent life form wouldn’t make a mad dash to come and meet us.

I think the chances of us finding mirrored images of ourselves (hairy humans who still use Microsoft) on another planet is slim.

Until we figure out a way to communicate with other species on this planet, we will never be in a position to understand what is out there. My guess is that there are intelligent life forms all over the place, probably communicating amongst each other on a regular basis - we are just too stupid to see it and understand.

I think, given the sheer, gargantuan size of the universe, that it seems unlikely that we’re the only planet to develop life, ever. And life—from what we know of it, on our world—tends to be notoriously hard to wipe out, completely.

However, beyond that—not enough data for a meaningful answer.

That being the case, I see no reason to just hang around the homeworld, waiting for information to come to us.

And, worst-case scenario, even if all we find is rock, or primeval goop—well, if it’s an empty, godforsaken universe anyway…that just means there’s room for some new managment, doesn’t it?

C’mon…who wouldn’t want to be one of the “first ones”?

Several answers:
First, Rita’s Theory of Wasteful Nature. (Rita is a friend of Mom’s, one of those people whose formal education stopped at 3rd grade but who are enormously curious and who’ve been so busy taking care of people and things that they just don’t have time for silliness).

Nature is very wasteful. A woman has millions of cells that could become eggs, but only a number in the 6 figures actually starts the process; only a few thousands ever start the trip to the uterus; and even if you’re Mother Rabbit, you’re not going to go beyond the low two-figures. So, who’s to say that planets aren’t like a woman’s pre-eggs? Zillions of them, but very few could have life and while it’s possible that other planets did, it’s also possible that only this one has.
Second, I don’t remember who this is from:

Any intelligent lifeform who found us, if they really are intelligent, will turn tail.

I’m all for going out to look. We may find someone, we may not, but the trip in itself would be interesting, perhaps in a “hope we don’t run over the edge of the world” way.

Invertibrates are more common than vertibrates.

Logically, the first “people” we meet are likely to look more like Insects or Lobsters than Humans.

And, equally likely, are probably not going to recognise us as sapient. And may very well attempt to eat us.

Ergo, Heinlein was right, & we must prepare for the Bug War.
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I think either there’s nothing out there, and if there ever was we won’t be meeting it, but I’ll respond.

Without more data, it’s impossible to make a useful comment on our moon’s impact on the evolution of life here. I can’t imagine such a big moon orbiting a small rock planet as being common, but then there’s alot of star systems in the galaxy.

As for magnetic spheres…well, you know, that’s a PITA, but only if you assume that life started on the Earth’s surface. Underground now, that’s comfy. Nice and warm, no crazy weather or offplanet radiation, just live off the minerals and reproduce. Ocean isn’t too bad either.

We started in the oceans or underground, and our magnetic sphere allowed us to eventually live on the solid surface of Earth, but that doesn’t need to be the rule. Intelligent life elsewhere could follow a subterranean or aquatic evolutionary path, and not give two figs for whether they’ve got a strong magnetic field.

To which I say, hey. You shoot a nuke down a bughole, you’ve got alot of dead bugs.

Too much emphasis on man. Extremophiles live in
antarctic cold
Volcanic vents in land and ocean
very dry and hot areas
deep underground rock formations severe chemical environments
highly radioactive environments
Many are blissfully ignorant of moon tides. Who knows what a million years of evolution will turn them into.

One problem is that stars are really far apart (at least in this part of the Galaxy), and it requires a lot of energy to go from star to star. So there might be thousands of plants with life on them in our galaxy, but they are all too far away for us ever to make contact. Even trying to contact using radio waves assumes that: (1) they use radio waves for communication, and (2) we would recognise a radio signal created by an alien civilisation if it hit us in the radio telescope.

the universe is a fairly large place. (Bigger than my volkswagen, that’s for sure.)
So physically there are enough rocks floating around for lots of intelligent beings to live on.

But the big size isn’t measured just in miles of rock. It’s also measured in time. There could have been intelligent beings beaming radio waves at us back when we were still ameobas floating in the primordial soup. Or when we were living in caves. Or when we were busy building the Roman Empire. Then they stopped using radio waves, and upgraded their software to Vista- universe edition, with a really effective firewall…

So now we’ll never find them, and vice versa. We should have started looking about 3 million years ago.

While complex animals only appeared 650 million years ago during the Cambrian explosion, bacteria have been on Earth almost since the formation of the Earth. Which leads to the hypothesis that bacterial life will very quickly appear on any planet with liquid water. However, for three billion years there is no evidence of multicellular animal or plant life. Which leads to the hypothesis that although bacterial grade life is very common, multicellular life probably isn’t. And of course, for 650 million years we’ve had various sorts of animals, there is no teleology causing them to develop into human-like creatures.

If you visited Earth 500,000 years ago you’d find Homo erectus running around…but he wouldn’t strike you as the kind of creature likely to invent digital watches, even if he thought they were a good idea. Only around 50,000 years ago did *Homo sapiens sapiens * pass some sort of cognitive threshold, then we see an incredible flowering of art and new tool types, whereas before technology had remained static. Neandertals famously used exactly the same technique for making stone points for a hundred thousand years.

Which means that even though Neandertals had larger brains than modern Homo sapiens and probably lived a very similar lifestyle compared to modern hunter-gatherers, they had a very different mental life than we do. Although no one is sure exactly why that was…lack of a complex language maybe? But in any case, despite making complex tools a Neandertal was in many ways just another speices of really smart primate.

So while we have some reason to suspect that bacterial grade life is pretty common in the universe, we have no reason to suspect that multicellular animal life is common. And we have good reason to suspect that tool-using spaceship building animals are very unlikely to evolve, for 649 million years there was nothing on Earth even in the ballpark of toolusing animals, and only for the last 50,000 years has there been fully human human intelligence.

also, if you want to get some hands-on experience at how hard it is to communicate with the aliens, try this:
do some volunteer work with autistic people.

If we can’t communicate with them, how will we deal with giant insect creatures from Alpha Centauri?

The short answer is that we don’t have enough information. We’re just beginning to find planets around other stars, and the size of the planets we find is large due to our not very good observation techniques.

Second, with a sample size of one, we don’t know if a large moon really is necessary. Life might evolve to take advantage of whatever conditions there are, and life in a high cosmic ray environment might wonder how we get along without them.

Third, maybe the asteroid impacts slowed down the development of intelligent life. Could intelligent dinosaurs have evolved ten million years after the KT event?

Fourth, even if some civilization did get our radio signals, maybe they’re waiting until we mature a bit before they respond. A civilization beaming out “Amos and Andy” doesn’t inspire confidence, and they might want to see if we made it past the nuclear danger zone first. Or they may be waiting until we visit them. Or they might have moved their brains into machines 100 million years ago, and no longer care. The biggest flaw in most sf stories with lots of races is not ftl travel, but the assumption that over the 14 billion life of the universe there are a reasonable number of civilizations close enough to our level to make for an interesting story. If we run into another race, they will be either gods of savages - and considering our age, most likely gods.

It’s like we are natives of an isolated Pacific Island, wondering why our carved sticks thrown into the water will ever get a response or if outriggers from another island will ever visit.

There have been some very interesting thoughts here and some that seem like the OP remains unread. I am not considering the likelihood of human-looking life somewhere in all of the galaxies. If they do, or did, 150 million LYs away, who cares? It would be an interesting discovery but of limited practical use. To far to talk or travel to to exchange info. That is why I limited this consideration to ~50 light years. To my thinking a stilted conversation requiring 100 years for question and answer seem like a top end to me.
My central theme is the seemingly unlikely events that came into place for humans to develop here and the possibility that the emergence of intelligence is not necessarily an end result of complex life existing on a planet.
It is possible dinosaurs might have gotten there in time but, after tens of millions of years they had not. The cosmic-radiation-loving life is possible but seems improbable given it’s effects on any form of carbon-based tissue we can imagine. The argument for existing in inhospitable environs I think is difficult to use as a measure in that it is highly likely that most or all have evolved to tolerate this condition in more acceptable areas instead of coming into being in an environment so harsh.
I made the moon connection here to demonstrate that a moon of such size, around a planet of the right size and composition, revolving around an acceptable star, in the “Goldilocks” region is likely to be extremely rare and that it’s role is possibly crucial and the evolution of intelligent life on top of that seems unlikely.
If the Earths rotation were as erratic as Mars’ then the range and predictability of seasons would not have existed to promote life. Also, without the infusion of iron from the impactor would we have the radiation protection necessary?
Lemur866- It appears that you are on the same line of thinking as I am and see my point. I suspect that primitive life forms exist in many places relatively speaking. If we are to find life, this is mostly what we can expect.
Also the age of different systems may play a major role. If they had our current state of technology before our sun ignited, it seems a good possibility that they may not be available to come to the phone right now.
I also include the information about the planets so far discovered outside of our own system. I realize that we are only seeing the very, very large for obvious reasons. My point is that in the stars we have found to have a planet orbiting, it is HUGE and more importantly, it is close to the Goldilocks region. It appears fairly common that a large body has formed and swept up all the other matter around it. It is likely that these giants would have a gravity and heat to make beginnings of life unlikely and it is further possible that this is the norm. Small rocky inner planets with large gas giants in the farther regions of a system appear to be uncommon, at least at this stage anyway.
So, if rocky planets, in the Goldilocks region, orbiting a medium sized star, with water, and an iron core, with a stabilizing moon is rare, were does this leave us?

Moved from IMHO to GD.

Sorry to object but I had prefered to remain in IMHO due to the more stringent requirements for posting in GD. I often do not enter a discussion because I am not prepared to do a documented research paper before adding my thoughts. I would prefer insights and opinions on this subject and a freedom to offer cunjecture. If it must be GD I understand but prefer it otherwise.
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There’s no need for a research paper.

And there’s no reason to think that these large close superjovian planets have swept everything from the inner system. It could be that they have as many or more satelites than our solar gas giants. A superjovian at the correct distance from the star with 10 large moons could have multiple “planets” that support life. And there’s no reason to suspect that the life zone is very narrow…it turns out that Mars and Venus don’t seem capable of supporting life, but that didn’t have to be the case, a solar system with two or more planets in the liquid water range isn’t physically impossible.

And we just don’t know how important our moon is for life. Maybe only planets with large moons can develop life, or mulicellular life…but we just don’t know. It seems a rather brash assumption to believe that Earth is an extreme statistical outlier in terms of supporting life. Sure, it’s the best in our solar system. But we imagine the Earth is a paradise because we evolved on Earth. It’s easy to imagine some xenobiologist on 61 Cygni IV speculating that a large moon would make life impossible.

We are only seeing the ones that are large and in relatively close orbits around their stars. The latter is important because it allows multiple orbits’ worth of data to be obtained (required for all known detection methods) and because it creates a greater velocity perturbation in the star’s motion (required for Doppler-shift detection).

Thus, both the large size and the close-in orbits of known extrasolar planets are skewed by detection effects – there could be many stars with gas giants in orbits more similar to those of Jupiter and Saturn in our system, but we have no way of knowing as of yet.

Here’s a thought I had, when those large, close in planets were discovered. Most stars are red dwarves, and it’s long been thought that they couldn’t support life because a world close in enough to be livable would be tide locked, and one side would fry while the air froze out on the dark side. It has occurred to me that that wouldn’t necessarily apply to a large satellite of a gas giant; it would be tide locked to the giant, if anything. That would drastically increse the numbers of potential life bearing wolrds.

OTOH, I’ve seen it pointed out that Earth may be unusual in having just enough water. Much less, and it would be dead or near to it; a desert planet. Much more, and it would be an ocean world; not hostile to life, but very hostile to the development of technology. If the majority of life bearing worlds are ocean worlds, there could be a million in the galaxy and we wouldn’t know since none have ever developed technology.

Now we’re in GD we can do some math. :slight_smile: A sphere of space with radius 50 l.y. has a volume of 125,000 ly3. I don’t know the average distance between stars, let’s say 6 l.y, which means there is a sphere of 9 ly3 around each star. This gives us just under 14,000 star systems in this region of space. I know a few years ago people thought multiple star systems could not support planet formation, but I seem to remember reading something saying this was no longer believed. Let’s say a tenth can, that gives us 1,400 planetary systems. Let’s say a fifth of these havereasonably sized planets in a habital zone - this gives us 280.
Now the next thing people usually do is to try to figure out what percentage of these would produce intelligent life, but I don’t think that’s necessary. Let’s say each civilization of interest lasts five million years, and that every planet produces one. That still is only 1.4 billion years worth of civilization, out of 10 billion years of existence (assuming it takes 4 billion years to produce reasonable stars.) I could compute the probability of overlap, but you see the odds aren’t very good, if you restrict yourself to such a small space.

The kicker though is that 50 l.y. should be nothing to a million year old civilization that could build self-reproducing intelligent probes. But maybe an ethical civilization would never send these out. First, there would be very likely nothing to find close by, and second, they might consider it immoral to seed a potentially habitable world and make the emergence of a native intelligent race impossible.

My point is that there is so little knowledge that speculation will never be more than that.

This is the kind of input I was looking to see. This is one of those thought problems that seems to suggest a solution that the typical person does not want to come to for an answer. I want to believe in UFO’s, but reason and available evidence does not support it. Same with the questions of religion.
Awhile back I read a discussion (yet another) about the existence of GOD and in this an option that was put forward was a super intelligence that exists on a cosmic scale and immeasurable age and is preoccupied with cosmic things and has little to no interest in the brief existence of a few primitives on an obscure and nondescript planet. The reply to this was of course “then what does it matter?”
It is this same kind of feeling I have about the possibility of intelligent life 50 million LY away. So? To far to travel or to even communicate with. Quite possibly extinct before any sign could reach us. This is the reason for my arbitrary limit on distance. If we receive a signal of random communication from somewhere else and it originated even 200 LY away buy the time we said “Hey, we’re here!” or the equivalent in mathematical formula, 200 years back and 200 hundred to get a “Uh, who’s calling?” back, would this be a practical means of communication. Earthshaking, yes. Of practical use, not so much. However, a 50 year one way or less may be do-able given human lifespans and attention spans.
Like Voyager has said, the cosmos is so old and our system is made of previous systems that have gone super nova so the possibility that such a city-builder has come and gone.
As to the ocean-planet type of scenario, I see the highest intelligence in the seas to be former land dwellers. If there was no land at all, no tidal pools for warmth and protection, could/would the proto-life goo have come together for life to begin? There were sea creatures that closely resemble dolphin in body shape in prehistoric times but this is understandable as this is a terrific shape to have for speed and maneuverability in the water. But, would problem solving, self-awareness levels of intelligence have developed if restricted to a ocean-going species?

The concept put forward about inhabitable moons circling a gas giant in near-star orbit is interesting. It does answer some of my apprehension about the “giant sweeper” effect that may prevent earth type planets in the Goldilocks region. Some mention earlier of a “red-dwarf” I think is a bit off. Seems like there are red giants and white dwarf stars and I discount both as likely hosts. The red giant’s lifespan is about 30 million years IIRC and this seem far to short a period for complex life, much less intelligence. The white dwarf is a end product of a sun of greater mass than our own having gone nova and blown off most of it’s components in a massive explosion. I would think this would likely toast any life-bearing planets it may once have had.