Thread ban

[MrDibble]

@wolfpup

I doubt the OP would be complaining about a mod note

I don’t share your doubts.

[wolfpup]

@MrDibble

@wolfpup

I doubt the OP would be complaining about a mod note

I don’t share your doubts.  

That’s fair, but that isn’t really my point.

I don’t want to belabor this particular incident as some kind of big deal, but just to be clear, my point is that if someone makes an ill-advised post and complains about being mod-noted for it, few will have any sympathy for them. It’s a minor admonition and they should just move on. But if they’re entirely banned from a thread just because of one lame attempt at a joke, then I think they have a legitimate complaint.

[Cervaise]

@wolfpup

I think they have a legitimate complaint.

In principle I agree, but it matters a great deal how that complaint is expressed.

@Cervaise

I believe a sincere apology might successfully cause the action to be reconsidered, but also, a sincere apology does not contain any flavor of “the other person’s feelings are invalid.”

[MrDibble]

@wolfpup

I think they have a legitimate complaint

If they express contrition and not pushback, sure. If you’re a poster with a more-or-less unblemished record.

On the other hand, if you already have a record of at least one warning for exactly this kind of jerkish threadshitting “joke”, never mind any other reasons for mods to pay closer attention to you like previous suspensions and topic bans, I don’t think you have a leg to stand on.

[Johnny_Bravo]

@wolfpup

what did a thread ban accomplish in this instance that would not have been accomplished with a simple mod note?

It made it an absolute certainty that the “it was a bad joke but nobody should have been annoyed” non-apology happened here and not in the thread, where it would have been a further derailment. That’s a good outcome.

[Peter_Morris]

Okay, I invite people to consider the following:

@Wesley_Clark

I think you meant to say:

Do you correct people alot? What’s you’re motivation?

Basically the same joke as mine, a deliberately incorrect “correction” to the OP. And he did so AFTER seeing the mod note to me. No mod note given. Anyone think it should have been?

Or this:

@Mangetout

Yep. That accounts for quite a wedge of the corrections I see - people enforcing an imaginary rule.

Two in particular from the past week:
…
“You must not start a sentence with a conjunction!”
And why not, exactly? Or is there actually a rule?

where:

1. the OP doesn’t actually seem to be very annoyed by my joke, he’s responding to it with humor, carrying on the joke.
2. he’s doing so after the mod instruction not to reply to my post
3. It is somewhat directed at my post, but I’m not allowed to respond. Don’t the mods frown upon that?

Anyone think he should be modded for it?

To be clear, I don’t think either of these warrant mod action, and they are both objectively worse than my post. The mod note and the instruction not to post in the thread ought to be withdrawn.

[Left_Hand_of_Dorkness]

@Peter_Morris

To be clear, I don’t think either of these warrant mod action, and they are both objectively worse than my post. The mod note and the instruction not to post in the thread ought to be withdrawn.

The more you post like this, the more I side with the note. You’re not coming across at all as having learned from the experience.

[Skywatcher]

@kenobi_65

There are things I’ve written here, which I thought were straightforward, and attempts to provide clarity, but were seen by others as presumptuous and unwelcome.

Likewise.

[Saint_Cad]

@Czarcasm

It had a little too much “If I get caught it is a joke” for my taste.

That goes along with the “I’m sorry you took it that way.” apology.

[Czarcasm]

I think it is a bit hard to mod on “might-have-beens”.

[Peter_Morris]

What might-have-beens? These are actual posts that happened.

[Czarcasm]

…and reported to the Mods?

[Peter_Morris]

What is there to report? There was no violation of the rules. Nothing to report, no mod action warranted.

[Czarcasm]

People reported the problem they found. That is not only the way it works, that is the only way it can work without The Powers That Be going full draconian on us. If your post got reported, and not others, then it was your post people had problem with, not others.

[Mangetout]

OK.
1 Yeah, I was a bit annoyed. Your joke wasn’t clearly a joke and it was quite early in the thread.
2 and 3 I wasn’t talking about you. At that point in the thread I had actually forgotten that your joke was about starting a sentence with a conjunction. Both of the examples of non-rule enforcement incident I referred to there, happened elsewhere (in YouTube comments). I was, if you notice, talking about people earnestly enforcing rules that don’t exist. That couldn’t have been you, because you were joking.

[Peter_Morris]

[reply to Czarcasm]

To repeat, they didn’t do anything wrong. There was nothing there to report.

If you disagree, then you go ahead and report them.

[Peter_Morris]

@Mangetout

and it was quite early in the thread.

As I understand it, the rule against early jokes only applies in FQ.

[quote] Your joke wasn’t clearly a joke
…
That couldn’t have been you, because you were joking. [/quote]

Bit of a contradiction there. I take it you were joking.

And I believe that some people thought you were talking about me.

@Stanislaus

@Mangetout

“You must not start a sentence with a conjunction!”
And why not, exactly? Or is there actually a rule?

I see what you did there.

[Left_Hand_of_Dorkness]

@Peter_Morris

Basically the same joke as mine, a deliberately incorrect “correction” to the OP. And he did so AFTER seeing the mod note to me. No mod note given. Anyone think it should have been?

Meh. Probably, but I don’t care as much as you do. It’d be good to learn something from this experience.

Edit: Out of curiosity, are you arguing for a reversal on the threadban because you feel you have an important or interesting perspective to add to the thread? or because you’re offended at the threadban and want to win?

[Mangetout]

Indeed, however it was threadshitting and it was needlessly provocative, given that I had explicitly stated that I was already feeling overloaded by miscorrections.

[Left_Hand_of_Dorkness]

@Peter_Morris

And I believe that some people thought you were talking about me.

@Stanislaus

@Mangetout

“You must not start a sentence with a conjunction!”
And why not, exactly? Or is there actually a rule?

I see what you did there.

Your belief is almost certainly incorrect What he “did there” was to respond to the proscription with two sentences that violated the proscription. It had nothing to do with you.