You’re saying you view people with names like D’Amico and Latorious as criminals because you feel those are stereotypical white trash names.
“Ventilated”? “Rabbited”? You need to write a crime novel!
You say that as if it is likely that both robbers were standing close to each other and equally in the employee’s line of fire. Is it more far more likely that they were standing apart and that one ran when the employees shot at the one that was closest to them? That it was a good thing the employees didn’t wildly fire at somebody on the other side of the room by some windows? Or that only one of the robbers had a gun and so was the main target?
I don’t know what happened, but the employees being rubbish shots wouldn’t be my first thought.
They hit the guy 6 times. Of course this being Chicago be may have caught 1 or 2 of those while he was on the floor.
Not Chicago. This was in Cleveland. Try again.
Um, because he’s a person? I would have thought that that was pretty obvious. There’s a really good reason to not kill people.
Now, the employees in this instance probably had even better reason to kill him, but that’s not true in general.
I stand by my statement none the less
There is alot of reason people turn to crime…but I find it extremely unlikely that little joey…or little d’carlo sat around in kindergarten and decided which one was gonna rob a taco bell in 10 years or so…and really ‘Wayne’ I have cousin named Wayne. He is a pastor…so that’s just crazy talk…i have a very country sounding name. And I am not a country bumpkin at all …i cannot believe your name makes your fate in life…prove it…cite it…just not true!!
It takes a strong individual to stand up for their mistakes no matter how wrong they are. Braaaaavo!
another reason would be because innocent people could also be hurt/killed since this isn’t a TV show :mad:
Last time I ate at Taco Bell, I got a gastritis attack that laid me low for a week. I had a scheduled doctor appointment shortly after that, but he wasn’t sympathetic. He really wasn’t.
One of the linked stories said it was 2:45 am. Doubt there were many customers.
It is? I’da thought it’s a necessary precondition for killing people. You can’t kill people unless they’re people. It’s kinda in the name.
You’re not seriously suggesting it’s always wrong to kill people, are you?
We’re not talking about killing innocent people, we’re talking about killing robbers. I’m not saying you have to shoot robbers. I’m saying you can’t think of “dead robber” as an unfortunate consequence.
All good points, but nevertheless, if I’m lying face-down on the ground with my hands stretched over my head, and I’m contemplating the pluses and minuses of shooting a guy, the “robber would die” part goes at the top of the “pro” column, just under “I get to live.”
You might have a bad shot. They might be holding a baby. You might be next to an exit door and can run instead. Sure, all these things are reasons not to shoot, none of them change “robber is dead” to a bad thing.
Even cops and soldiers are terrible shots when they are in a real live shooting situation.
I’m not going to buy into the robber is dead as a good thing because nothing material that I’m in charge of is worth killing for. OTOH, much of robbery is armed robbery or at least comes with a threat of violence in which case potential murderer is dead is fine in my book because while nothing that can be replaced is worth killing for, my life and the lives of those around me are.
I don’t see the robber being killed as a good thing. But I feel an armed robbery in which the robbers are killed is a better outcome than an armed robbery in which the employees are killed.
I’ll concede there’s no proof that the robbers would have killed the employees. But I think it’s a reasonable enough possibility to justify killing the robbers.
Everyone likes to believe that they have nerves of steel and can react calmly in a crisis. The complete opposite is true. I’m actually surprised that they hit either one of them and didn’t shoot themselves or another employee.
Is this really a common psychological reaction? I regard myself as a fairly sane and empathetic person, and I think it would completely mess me up if I (say) accidentally killed an innocent person in a traffic accident. But if somebody was threatening innocent people with a gun, no doubt I would be shaking with fear as I pulled the trigger to kill them, but afterwards I don’t think I’d feel the slightest concern about taking their like. I really don’t think it would mess up my mind at all. Fuck 'em.
You have to admit that even as one off opinion that’s not as strong as somebody who actually did commit a justified killing saying it doesn’t bother them at all. How do you know exactly how it would affect you? And anyway just because it wouldn’t weigh heavily on you doesn’t mean psychological fall out isn’t a serious risk for a lot of other people.
Also you’ve kinda crafted a particular scenario here, implying you either kill somebody or (it’s highly likely you imply) they kill somebody else. The original post I responded to said ‘no reason not to kill a robber’, pretty open ended. To which I replied (as you just quoted), specifically including ‘if you could run’, which doesn’t imply ‘run and let somebody else get killed’.
So back to my point. There might be reasons to do so, and not to do so. The original post said absolutely (totally seriously or hyperbole who knows? it’s the internet) no reason not to kill the robber.
I worked at a liquor store with a big woman (I mean BIG)…one night we were fixing to close after 11:pm…iirc…a youngish thug-type walked in…first thing out her BIG mouth was ‘are you old enough to come in here…TT pulled a gun and before he could get out a word…BIG woman grabbed the gun from he hand…and chased him out the front door…cursing…Me like a dumbass just stood there with my mouth open…couldn’t think to dial 911…altho’ the phone was in my hand…I was never afraid to work with her after that. Never heard her ever curse again! She was one cool head about the whole thing…got wrote up in the local rag and perceived a hero…oh and btw…the gun was loaded with hollow points…