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The lack of faith in a christian god is what is keeping the Tillman family from letting this go?!
These people are simply horrible.
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And the Understatement of the Day Award goes to. . .
[QUOTE=yanceylebeef]
This is the thing that really chaps my hide…
From ESPN:
*Kauzlarich, now a battalion commanding officer at Fort Riley in Kansas, further suggested the Tillman family’s unhappiness with the findings of past investigations might be because of the absence of a Christian faith in their lives.
In an interview with ESPN.com, Kauzlarich said: “When you die, I mean, there is supposedly a better life, right? Well, if you are an atheist and you don’t believe in anything, if you die, what is there to go to? Nothing. You are worm dirt. So for their son to die for nothing, and now he is no more — that is pretty hard to get your head around that. So I don’t know how an atheist thinks. I can only imagine that that would be pretty tough.”
Asked by ESPN.com whether the Tillmans’ religious beliefs are a factor in the ongoing investigation, Kauzlarich said, “I think so. There is not a whole lot of trust in the system or faith in the system [by the Tillmans]. So that is my personal opinion, knowing what I know.”*
The lack of faith in a christian god is what is keeping the Tillman family from letting this go?!
These people are simply horrible.
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This guy makes me wish I believed in a hell.
[QUOTE=Tuckerfan]
And the Understatement of the Day Award goes to. . .
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Sorry, forgot I was in the pit.
Cock knocking jizz bucket son of a whore!
that is all the vitriol I can work up today. I am experiencing outrage fatigue.
[QUOTE=OneCentStamp]
This guy makes me wish I believed in a hell.
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Thankfully, he does, so we can only hope that in his last minutes of life on Earth his brain decides to remind him of this fact and places him firmly within Satan’s grasp.
[QUOTE=Zebra]
I view Rove more as Nately. The kind of guy that kills a prostitute, tosses her out a window, rationalizes it away and gets away with it.
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Wasn’t that Aarfy? Good old Aarfy, everyone likes him. That girl, though, she was just a dirty prostitute. They won’t arrest him, though. Not good old Aarfy.
[QUOTE=Sublight]
Wasn’t that Aarfy? Good old Aarfy, everyone likes him. That girl, though, she was just a dirty prostitute. They won’t arrest him, though. Not good old Aarfy.
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Aarfy killed the maid after raping her, so she wouldn’t say anything bad about Aarfy. (He also describes bringing to adolescent girls to his fraternity house and gang-raping them under threat of telling their parents that they were “putting out”.) As much as I’d like to compare Rove to such a vile character, Aarfy is way too easygoing.
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[QUOTE=yanceylebeef]
The lack of faith in a christian god is what is keeping the Tillman family from letting this go?!
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The guy seems to be saying that a Christian education helps one accept lies from those in power. You know, he might have a point.
[QUOTE=miss elizabeth]
Hey, fuck you. No, really, fuck you with a rusty piece of barbed wire. What the fuck is wrong with you?
He loved his country, he trusted his government, he believed his president. And the used him, they used him up, and lied about his death and lied to his family. And you’re blaming the dead guy, and his brother? Fuck you! Blame the fuckin liars, you tragically twisted dipshit. And Pat Tillman’s brother, because he was used and tricked and lied to, now he’s not allowed to speak up once he sees the truth? Why, because he wasn’t as smart as you from the beginning? Yes, it would be wonderful if everyone was as smart and perfect as you, I’m sure. But since so many of our citizens are so terribly flawed, why don’t we fuckin HELP the people who wake up and make the difficult choices to do the right thing, no matter how long it takes them to get to that.
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He believed his president, a known complete and utter goddamned idiot with an agenda. He should make the Darwin awards for this.
I don’t mean to derail this thread any further, I have opened another thread if you want to continue.
[QUOTE=Voyager]
The guy seems to be saying that a Christian education helps one accept lies from those in power. You know, he might have a point.
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Funny, that was just what I wanted to write.
[QUOTE=Evil One]
And most of all…a big “fuck you” for casting doubt on the next case of real heroism uder fire and for devaluing the Silver Star. The military is full of men and women who could be called on at a moments notice to give their lives in any number of sacrificial and heroic manners. The next time they do that and the military tells us about it, many people will simply say “Remember Tillman and Lynch? They are probably lying to us again.” And a deserving soldier or his or her family will be denied something that could be the most valuable reward of all to them…the sincere thanks of a grateful nation.
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I don’t know about that. People who are disposed to respect the military and soldiers will continue to do so.
[QUOTE=NDP]
Would that be a bale of chocolate-covered Egyptian cotton?
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Sophistry.
[QUOTE=gigi]
I don’t know about that. People who are disposed to respect the military and soldiers will continue to do so.
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Yep. I respect the snot out of the military. It’s their commanders, and Commander-In-Chimp I zero respect for.
[QUOTE=Stranger On A Train]
Of course, I have the otherwise useless talent of relating nearly everything to Catch-22, so take it all with a grain of salt, and a bail of Egyptian cotton.
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I don’t need any cotton. Have you got any green red bananas? (Or is it red green bananas?)
[QUOTE=gigi]
I don’t know about that. People who are disposed to respect the military and soldiers will continue to do so.
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That number includes me. What frustrates me is the fact that people who do not respect the military can now hide behind the Tillman and Lynch stories to question the credibility of such tales of heroism.
I was in the military myself as well as some of my family members. I have always found stories about courage under fire and adversity to be uplifting.
I also enjoy the fact that they make anti-military twits uncomfortable when they look in the mirror…but they have intellectual cover to hide behind for comfort now.
[QUOTE=Evil One]
What frustrates me is the fact that people who do not respect the military can now hide behind the Tillman and Lynch stories to question the credibility of such tales of heroism.
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Look, if you mean people like Der Trihs, their problem isn’t that they doubt the soldiers’ courage. It’s with what soldiers do when they’re doing their duty exactly the way they’re expected to. You know, breaking things and killing people. I acknowledge doing that is sometimes sadly necessary (and respect soldiers’ readiness to endure hardship and danger while doing it), but I can understand the other POV.
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton]
I can understand the other POV.
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I can rationalize it if I try hard enough. The old "I respect the troops, I just don’t respect their mission. And right after they say that, they piss on the troops, talking about how it’s their own fault they volunteered or that they are “ignorant pawns” or some other such intellectually parsed nonsense.
They can say what they want about Iraq. Or Vietnam. They can fall back to Grenada if they like, to find a mission to question and an excuse to undermine those who carried it out.
But the bottom line for the pacifists that are hostile to military members is this…going back just to World War II, literally thousands of troops have died for your right to prance in the street with trite signs that rhyme without being shot on sight.
They had the bravery to jump out of the boats at Normandy. To run through bullet-ridden air to bring aid to thier comrades. They liberated concentration camps. Airlifted food to the starving. Saved and protected millions of lives.
Yet some want to denegrate them as “pawns” or “robots”. That’s fine. Those people can keep telling themselves they are superior in some way to maintain thier self-esteem.
Are all military members perfect? Of course not. But millions of them over the years had the stones to actually take up arms and defend the freedoms that other like to shout about but can’t bother to take any personal risk for.
[QUOTE=DudleyGarrett]
From what I can tell with Lynch was that she was ambushed and tortured. Can’t say it would have been such a huge story if she were a man, and this sort of thing happens a lot more than we hear about.
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I don’t think that her gender is why she became a “star.” After all, the woman captured with her, Shoshana Johnson was virtually ignored by the media. (And, apparently by the Army, too. While Lynch recieved an 80% pension, Johnson only recieved 30%.)
Let’s not overlook one of the nastiest parts of this coverup in Tillman’s case: one of the people most directly involved in it, a person who has basically now been exposed as a liar, originally had this to say about how the Tillman’s should just shut up and let this issue go:
From:
http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2007/04/pat_tillman_and_more_slurs_aga.php#more
What an asshole.
[QUOTE=Lissa]
I don’t think that her gender is why she became a “star.” After all, the woman captured with her, Shoshana Johnson was virtually ignored by the media. (And, apparently by the Army, too. While Lynch recieved an 80% pension, Johnson only recieved 30%.)
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You don’t think the fact that Lynch was white and cute, while Johnson’s black had something to do with it? Certainly seems the most likely explaination to me.
[QUOTE=Tuckerfan]
You don’t think the fact that Lynch was white and cute, while Johnson’s black had something to do with it? Certainly seems the most likely explaination to me.
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I think that’s what **Lissa ** was alluding to with the link that she provided. And I agree–it’s the most likely explanation to me, too.