Tipper Gore: Responsible for preponderance of profanity

I had something of an epiphany today. Tipper Gore and the Parent’s Music Resource Center (PMRC) are to blame for the overload of profanity in modern rock and rap music.

I got to thinking about this after watching the new Twisted Sister music video and then reading an interview with Dee Snider in which he talked about testifying before Congress, and the warning labels on records.

It occurred to me that until Tipper’s knee started jerking, songwriters did a pretty good job of policing themselves. They knew that if they loaded a song with profanity and explicit descriptions of sex it wouldn’t get airplay, which meant they wouldn’t sell as many records. Judas Priest lead singer Rob Halford talked about this after his band’s song, “Eat Me Alive” (lyrics here) was held up as an example of what was wrong with popular music. Forgive me for not having a cite, but this was in a magazine almost 20 years ago. Halford explained that the song was written one night when he and the rest of the band were drunk out of their gourds. They woke up the next morning and read what they had written, and were quite shocked. “We wrote that? Good lord!” Halford said it was so raunchy that “we censored it ourselves”.

The vast majority of songwriters censored themselves. Sure, they wrote songs about sex, but rather than explicitly describe the act they used creative euphemisms and double entendres. Often, the songs were written in such a way that the true meaning behind the words would go right over the heads of most children. Same with drug songs.

And sure, there were songs out there that had the “harsh” profanity in the lyrics, but these were usually album cuts that were never intended to be released as singles or played on the radio. The “F-word” on rap albums? Well, that was okay because it was still “underground” and the white kids weren’t listening to it anyway :rolleyes:. The rap that got airplay was pretty clean: MC Hammer, The Fresh Prince, Young MC, etc.

How many white kids had even heard of 2 Live Crew before the PMRC started shrieking? I sure hadn’t, and I was really into rap at the time. Before that, I remember being a teenager in church and having to listen to sermons from youth pastors about the evils of rock & roll, and being shown examples of “satanic” bands … and the examples given were, often, obscure bands I had never heard of, and probably wouldn’t have heard of, had they not been waved in my face by preachers.

So we got warning labels on our records and tapes and CDs. “PARENTAL ADVISORY! EXPLICIT LYRICS!” This would protect our children by allowing parents to know when the lyrics were nasty. Assuming, naturally, that parents have full control over every recording their child purchases.

In reality (as I see it) the warning label became a license to curse. Where in the past songwriters would perhaps push the limits but still keep it clean enough to get airplay, they now realized that they could say anything they wanted and all they had to do was put a warning (which most people probably ignore) on the album cover. I suspect that, without warning labels, many of today’s cursing singers and rappers would be producing cleaner songs. But they swear because they can. Tipper must be proud.

Please discuss.

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Nobody, even TS, remembers who Tipper Gore is, now, you freakin’ wanker. Epiphany not!

I don’t believe a word of it.

The times changed. Period. Warning labels were a symptom, not a cause.

Did comics start swearing more in their acts because of warning labels, or because they could? Obviously the latter.

The world would not have changed an iota without the PMRC.

Sure it would have. Wal-Mart would have been forced to come up with a reason other than warning labels to not carry unedited albums, and who knows if they could have found one?

Sheer hard work and diligence would have prevailed in the end.

I know who Tipper Gore is, 'cos Frank Zappa said in 1992 that he would french kiss her if it helped get GHWBush out of the White House.

Also, she used to be the next First Lady.

Who in the world is TS?

Eliot?

Garp?

C’mon, throw me a bone, here!

I am thinking it refers to Twisted Sister. If true, I just heard Dee Snider the other day complaining about the stupidity of those hearings.

Not that anyone cares, but I still care about Tipper. She is one of the reasons I voted for Nader instead of her husband in 2000. I do not trust her one bit.

Jim

I buy your theory. It fits in with the usual mindset of the young.

One of the shows about the Tipper Gore/PMRC hearings said the sales of albums bearing the “Explicit Lyrics” warning label soared. The bands sooned realized that all you had to do was put a few raunchy lyrics on the album, get the label, and be insured of added sales. Forbidden fruit being sweeter and all of that.

Ah, the sweet, sweet fruit of profanity.

The only effect of the PMRC was to get the name “Gore” firmly entrenched in the public consciousness; and this was all that was required. Color me cynical.

Stranger

If true, one should be able to draw a parallel with movies and the X rating.

I’m not seeing it.

So what do you think they were rallying against initially? If music was so pure at that time, what big gripe did they have that was convincing enough to prompt the RIAA to voluntarily place stickers on albums, and have Walmart not sell those albums?

Mmmm, damnalicious.

Not true, the parallel is to R, PG and now PG-13. Many studios added elements of profanity to avoid a G rating and many horror films added a little nudity to gain the coveted R. Star Trek IV admitted to want to avoid a ‘G’ as it would reduce ticket sales. Friday the 13th wanted an ‘R’ to bring in older teens. As I recall in 1980 more violence was allowed in PG films and of course there was no PG-13 yet. So the heavy violence and a little nudity guaranteed the ‘R’.

The ‘X’ rating is not even an actual rating. It is just a trade term. NC-17 is the official “adult” rating.

Jim

There used to be an X rating (Midnight Cowbot got one). It’s actually led to less sexual content in most movies. The NC-17 doesn’t pass a value judgement on a movie like X did, so the ratings board is more likely to use it. Since very few theatres will show NC-17 ratings, it forced directors to censor themselves, for fear of making a bomb.

You need to show ID and prove your age to see a rated X (or NC-17) movie. To my knowledge, you don’t need to show anything but money to buy a CD.

On the contrary, some of us hold grudges for a long time. I held Tipper responsible for the PMRC. She’s been near the top of my “I hate that bitch” list since high school. Sadly, my dislike for her caused me to vote against Al in 2004. 20 years later, I still avoid 7-Up products when possible due to hearing the made donations to the PMRC.

I can’t say that the PMRC and Tipper made me want to listen to more explicit lyrics, but it definitely left an impression.

The 2000 election BTW.

Sounds like you were probably in High School around the same time I was. Class of '84 here. Tipper was strongly hated by most of my peers. A stupid busybody bitch with too much time on her hands and I feared what would happen if she was first lady.

Jim

I knew it was 2000. I even thought 2000 to myself. :smack:

Close. '86.

**Ironic aside: ** “Eat Me Alive” was held up, at the time, as an example of the misogyny rampant in heavy metal. The irony, of course, is that Halford would have been singing about a dude eating him alive. No gyny involved. :slight_smile: