No, no I didn’t. Please cite where you got that quote from, or retract it and admit that you made it up, thank you.
What I said into something entirely different, so that you could get some good hits in on a strawman of your own creation
And I disagreed with this, saying that instead of people bidding down the cost of service, instead, people could actually make a decent wage from it if people stop delivering to people who stiff them.
It’s not an argument to make people tip, it’s an argument to get people to stop using a service they are not willing to pay the appropriate amount for.
A driver who does all of this, and doesn’t get tipped, is being hurt. You are free to think that someone is better spending their time
making a few cents an hour than doing something else that pays better, but I think that you are completely wrong on this.
You are making the same argument as people make against MW. That if you have to pay them what they are worth, then you won’t be able to hire as many at that low rate. It’s a crap argument there, and it’s a crap argument here as well.
Anyway, until you admit that you made up a quote and attributed it to me and apologize for having done so, I think that we are done here, as it doesn’t seem as though there is anything worth continuing to discuss if you aren’t even just taking my words out of context, but just making them up out of whole cloth.
Possibly this? I also thought you meant non-gig jobs.
Like, in my head, I’m reading the rest better find new gigs, huh? then you It’s not like it’s HARD to find a REAL job right now. Probably one that pays much better, too.
I have extensive experience in actually doing this sort of work for Uber, including taking advantage of the tax deductions allowed, but zero experience in interviewing pissed off drivers who can’t figure out how to properly deliver food, all in the service of writing an article to slam DoorDash. And I’m really not interested in debating the author of the piece second hand. Sorry, man. But the idea that people are doing this for free is ludicrous and should have been the first sign to stop reading.
But, again, I don’t do DD. Perhaps they did con people into working for free. Regardless, I can’t offer a counter to the article other than it has little similarity to my experiences.
And, Max? You tip what you want to tip. We discussed before what it means to have a living wage - you were very confused and thought it meant sustenance wages - and, in the end, it comes down to you doing you. My approval isn’t necessary, but you know what I think already.
Fair enough but I still want to ask, since you do drive for Uber Eats, do you recommend tips in cash or via app? Because there’s a good chance I might switch to that service with the new subscription thing.
In San Antonio, nobody uses cash in tipping food. It just is not done. It’s all in-app. I’ve done enough of those bottom-budget deliveries thinking there would be a cash tip at the end to know there never is.
They aren’t doing it for free; they’re working for tips. Not really different from the waiter model (they make, what, $2/hr)?
The article does depend on using the standard IRS deduction of $0.58/mi. That may be high for drivers that intentionally pick low-cost, low-maintenance vehicles. But on the other hand, I suspect a high number of people underestimate their real costs, because many aspects of car maintenance happen at infrequent intervals (including the car replacement itself). And of course people doing this as a side gig are just using whatever vehicle they have, even if it has high running costs. Using the IRS figure is undoubtedly a better approximation than assuming the only cost is gas.
Out of curiosity, what is the approximate relationship between your base payment and mileage? I know it’s a black box; just looking for a rough average here. Over $1/mi?
That’s fair, but Max_S has been accused of depending on his personal experiences and of ignoring provided citations. And now you’re here claiming the article is bunk based on your personal experience. It may be bunk–I can’t evaluate that–but it strikes me as a little hypocritical.
People can’t seem to even agree whether tips should be based on distance or not (to me, it seems obvious that they should, and AFAICT you do as well, but not all posters agree).
I hope none of this is construed as a defense of lousy tippers. My point is really just that the entire culture of tipping is poorly established in this industry (unlike eating in, where the rules are a lot more obvious). That makes it really difficult to even figure out what constitutes a decent tip.
Well, I can’t control what you hear in your head. But those are not the words that I said.
Since we are doing this thing where we quote what we hear in our head rather than the words actually used:
@Jophiel said “Oh, those poor drivers, whatever will they do if Max_S stops ordering from them?”
I simply pointed out that there are plenty of jobs out there, they don’t need to rely on people who stiff them in order to make money. And in fact, they can make a bunch more money if they don’t.
Good to know that you put in quotes what you heard in your head, and then responded to that, rather than the words actually used. Makes things a whole lot easier for you, doesn’t it?
Of course not, not when you have the voices in your head to debate with, you don’t really need anyone else at all, now do you?
I’m not trying to score debate points here, just to understand what you mean.
Going by your summary of Jophiel’s post. Oh, those poor drivers, whatever will they do if Max_S stops ordering from them? But really his post was more like If people like Max_S stopped ordering that’s half of the people, which means half of the drivers need new gigs huh?
I evidently read you wrong, so I’m asking for clarification on your response, quoted and bolded above.
Right, and said so as if it’s some sort of hardship, that they just have to rely on below MW wage rates in order to have any income at all. Like finding another gig would require any more effort than installing a new app on their phone.
If he’s not being all “concerned” over the half the drivers that would need a new gig if only people willing to pay a reasonable rate used it, then what point is he trying to make, if any at all? Sounds like a “woe unto them” type of emotional fallacy of an argument to me.
There is plenty of work that pays well, whether it be traditional jobs, or gig jobs, out there, and they don’t need to rely on the paltry breadcrumbs that cheapskates are willing to part with for their services.
And a job is any work that you do for money, whether that be for a specific employer, a gig, or for yourself. I consider what I do to be a job, and I’m the owner.
I never used the word “real” as @Jophiel spat out, completely changing the meaning of what I said into something he would be able to take umbrage over.
Anyway, this isn’t a game I’m interested in pursuing further in this thread, should you like, you have a whole thread now that would be more appropriate to discuss this sidebar in.
Yeah, I ask that everyone please drop the analysis of exactly what @k9bfriender said, including him. It has become a distraction from the point of the thread.