Tipping and food delivery services

I’m talking about DoorDash, GrubHub, UberEats, etc.

My first job as an adult, c. 2015, was delivering food for an Italian diner (mostly pizza). I was an employee of the establishment, as far as I know - filled out a W-4 and did some dishwashing shifts. I assume they took the taxes out of the latter shifts but there’s a good chance it was all under the table. The delivery deal was, $4.00 delivery fee guaranteed plus any cash tips at the doorstep are mine. I had no discretion in which orders to take, although we only delivered within the same zip-code. My car, my gas, and I had to be ready to pick up within 5 minutes.

In practice, most people tipped a dollar or two. If I had to travel across town people would tip more generously ($5+). I had a couple large deliveries, we’re talking the duffel bags food for 10+ people, I’d get a big tip ($20+). I remember wondering at the time whether they tipped the restaurant separately but decided not to ask. Short deliveries, within two miles, frequently went without tips (unless the turnaround time was really fast). Didn’t bother me at all, I had my guaranteed $4.00. I don’t think any long distance deliveries went without tipping at all. I may have been salty if I had to go through a lot more than $4.00 worth of my time and effort, while only being paid $4.00.


Nowadays, most of my local restaurants don’t offer delivery anymore. They “partner” with a delivery service such as DoorDash, GrubHub, or UberEats. Over the past two pandemic years I’ve used some of these services. At checkout they list the price of your food, a delivery charge, a service charge, a tax charge, and a tip. This is when you order the food now, that you pay the tip. :confused:

The delivery charge is usually reasonable, $4 to $7 dollars or so depending on where you order from. I assume this goes to the driver but really who knows.

The service charge is more shady. DoorDash lumps it in with the taxes and charges a full 13%, or at least $3. From that I assume $0 goes to the people who actually deliver my food, and all of it goes to DoorDash. I think GrubHub and UberEats have service charges of 15%.

They also pre-fill the tip with a recommended amount that is, in my experience, 20% or more of the total without tip. I might order two subs + two drinks (~$18) from a sandwich shop three miles away, and the default tip is $6 or $7.50. And the grand total is over $30 :exploding_head:

  • Actual food: $18
  • Delivery charge: $4
  • Service charge: $3
  • Tax: $1.75
  • Tip: $6
  • Total = $32.75

And I’m just thinking to myself, I could drive there and back in well under ten minutes, with lunch hour traffic. Is ten minutes of my time, and six miles worth of gas, really worth $13.50? I don’t think the service of delivering food is worth more than about $5 to $7. But sometimes I really can’t leave.

I could cut out the tip entirely and the cost of having food delivered would just about match its worth. I mean, it’s not nice to drivers but it’s also not my fault that the business model is what it is. If they do a really good job I still tip a couple dollars sometimes, in cash. But what happens more and more often is that drivers call me, before picking up the food I guess, and ask if I plan on tipping them in cash. I guess the convention now is that the tip is completely severed from the quality of service, i.e. the turnaround time from me placing an order and me receiving my food. It’s never the same driver twice, and I don’t live in a big city, which makes me wonder if there is high turnover as a deliveryman/deliverywoman for these services, or if they just recognize my name on the order and swipe left. (I haven’t noticed an appreciable delay in delivery time over the past couple years.)

And from what I’ve been told in these conversations, apparently a tip I give when placing the order isn’t added to a guaranteed delivery charge. I’ve been told that the deliveryman/deliverywoman gets the maximum of either my tip or the delivery charge. :scream: So from the above example, the driver would get $6 total. And if I tipped $4 or under, the driver would get $4 total.

And then of course, just today I asked the above mentioned sandwich shop what’s up with the delivery fees. It turns out the restaurant is also paying a 30% commission on each order to the food service. WTF? :exploding_head:

So again with the above example, two subs and two drinks, if I had gone through with the order,

  • Actual food: $18
  • Delivery charge: $4
  • Service charge: $3
  • Tax: $1.75
  • Tip: $6
  • Total paid by me = $32.75
    • to deliveryman: $6
    • to restaurant: $12.60
    • to state: $1.75
    • to food delivery service: $12.40
      • to be fair, something like $1 is used to process my card

If you’re a delivery driver and want to know why I’m stingy with the tips, :arrow_up: that’s why.

What are your thoughts and experiences with tips for food delivery services?

~Max

On the last 20 years I can’t remember ever having food delivered. Part of that is because we live “out in the country” and I can’t imagine someone driving food to me. Even with GPS, I have to explain how to turn onto our gravel lane and how to find our house on that lane.

Even if the restaurant is willing to deliver, I really hate to have random people “discover” that there are homes back here. That and I would feel lazy af paying someone to bring me food.

Also note that DoorDash prices are 5-10% higher than in-person prices to start with.

Sounds like you’re penalizing the delivery driver for your personal problem with company policies and societal norms. That’s not their fault. You want the food delivered, that’s just what it costs. If you don’t like it, don’t use the service.

Good job penalizing the low man on the totem pole.

It costs $26.75 when I checked this afternoon. The amount over is within my discretion.

I don’t think of myself as penalizing the driver, who IMO isn’t entitled to a tip for a short distance anyways (3mi is right at the boundary of deserving a tip or not), let alone before performing the delivery. I think of myself as being asked to use my discretion to rip myself off by paying more than the service is worth to me.

~Max

These surcharges are one reason I prefer to go to the restaurant and get the food myself.

You can think of it however you want, but the reality is you stiffed the driver just because you think it’s a “ripoff” that you should have to pay the person for their time and effort.

As a former delivery driver, you don’t think that person is then getting “ripped off” by you?

Back in my day (2015 :older_man:) I had my guaranteed $4.00 per delivery. I’m told they get their guaranteed delivery fee too, and if I tip below that, they don’t even see the tip!

For a short drive I didn’t feel entitled to a tip and usually didn’t get one. The particular drive from this shop to my workplace involves three right turns and is a very easy drive. I wouldn’t have expected a tip for the equivalent in the other part of town where I worked.

~Max

It’s bizarre you think the distance matters.

Do you not tip a waitress in a diner for bringing you a meal? She only had to carry it like 10 feet!

I certainly don’t tip her before she brings me the meal.

~Max

You know what is penalizing the driver? Tip baiting, which I am vehemently against.

It’s where you enter a tip and then go back and remove it (I guess UberEats lets you do this). IMO, that is not OK. I’d be pissed.

~Max

I should also add, if it wasn’t clear from above, there isn’t a guaranteed “server’s fee” on my bill like there is for deliveries. If my bill for dining in included a $2 or $3 gratuity or server’s fee, I wouldn’t always tip the waitress for a <$15 meal.

~Max

That’s OK, everyone else does. Like it or not, this is how the driver gets paid.

Not to sound like a crank, but the delivery services “rip off” the restaurants, the delivery people, and the consumer. Like anything else in life, you just have to decide if it’s worth it to you to use the service. IF YOU DO DECIDE TO, then you are in and it’s really not pertinent arguing about how they structure the various parts of the cost. But, I would say it is good form to be generous with the tip, even if it is decided in advance. Yes, yes, tipping in advance is stoopid, but so is all tipping, yah?

It is worth it to use the service… without a tip. I think it’s worth about $5-$7 to deliver $18 worth of food 3 miles. (I would have expected a little less back when I delivered in 2015, but I guess inflation.) I don’t really care all too much how my money is spread around when it comes to “is the service worth the price”.

I don’t like being mean to drivers, and I’ll drive myself when I can (such as today), and I’ll offer a smaller (cash) tip for really good service. But I don’t always think of not-tipping as being mean, since they have the guaranteed fee and it’s a short drive.

And apparently the food service snatches the first $4 or so of my tip if I put one on, anyways…

~Max

I stopped getting pizza delivered when places started charging me delivery fees which was many years ago. If delivered, a $10 pizza would end up costing $14-16 dollars depending on the tip and delivery fees. I hate to sound cheap, but I don’t want to pay $14+ for a $10 pizza. So I don’t use delivery services. If I want something I’ll go out and get it.

That’s what I do. Another advantage is that I get it right out of the oven and then go directly home so it doesn’t have time to cool off. A delivery person, on the other hand, might deliver to one or two other people before getting to my house.

When I’m tired and cranky and hungry, I order in using one of the big services. Yeah, it’s expensive; I’ve paid up to over $40 for a couple of cheeseburgers from a really good place. I always tip the driver 20%. I like to believe that the driver will likely try to get here more quickly if he’s being paid well, or perhaps prioritize my order over someone else’s. I do hate that the restaurants are being gouged by these companies; I think I read that it’s something like 30%.

I try everything I can to not use the big services. They take too big a cut of the restaurant’s share, and I hate that the tip only goes to the delivery service and/or the driver and nothing to the restaurant. If the restaurant doesn’t handle delivery themselves I’ll go out for it myself. If the restaurant does deliver, I believe in over-tipping, 20% is pretty much my minimum, and I’ve no qualms over tipping $20 on a $50 order.

And the occasions where you can’t go out yourself, you won’t eat from that restaurant? Unfortunately the only establishments delivering lunch themselves in my area are big pizza brands, if that counts.

~Max