"Titan" submersible investigation begins [28-June-2023]

He was so “innovative” that he fell victim to a self-made trap so old that the ancient Greeks wrote about it.

Yeh, instead of naming his sub “Titan” he should have dubbed it “Hubris.” Or “Icarus.”

Many people don’t remember that Kennedy appended the phrase “and returning him safely to Earth” to his challenge for “landing a man on the Moon”. The second part makes the first part harder.

Mountaineering has “summit fever”, the urge to get to the top of the mountain, which can sometimes manifest by making decisions that risk the trip back down once the summit has been attained.

I suppose in most disciplines where people put their lives at risk to achieve some goal, there’s an acknowledgement that the goal isn’t really reached until you’ve resumed the baseline level of safety you had when you started the trip.

When the worst thing broken because you “move fast and break things” is a web hosting environment, that’s one thing. Putting people’s lives at stake, like Stockton Rush did, is obnoxious and ultimately callous, and trying to ruin the lives of people who tried to stop him from doing so is utterly beyond the pale.

A couple of Ed Viestus quotes come to mind:
“Getting to the top is optional. Getting down is mandatory.”
“The summit is just a halfway point.”

Stockton Rush just sounds like an 80’s bad guy name, doesn’t it? He should have been the head jock in a movie with Dean Cameron.

He sounds like someone out of an Ayn Rand novel.

A Randian hero if he actually lived in the real world, which naturally makes him a villain because Rand was a terrible writer.

The arrogant 1%.
Thinking that their money buys them out of the Laws of Nature.
:skull_and_crossbones:

I wonder if this whole situation is going to make people rethink going aboard Musk’s Starship?

What if he guarantees it won’t implode?

I rethought it some time back when her termed his SpaceX explosion, “exciting”. :flushed:

From the article:

“The OceanGate engineering team does not plan to obtain a hull scan and does not believe the same to be readily available or particularly effective in any event,” the company’s lawyer, Thomas Gilman, wrote in March 2018.

Their lawyer was named Gilman? Of the Innsmouth Gilmans? Did the quote continue “Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn!” ?

And would Elon have the guts/integrity to go on the trip?

Crew Dragon is probably the safest flying crewed orbital craft, and there’s zero evidence of them taking any shortcuts (unlike their competitor Boeing). Starship won’t carry passengers until it’s flown safely a hundred or so times with cargo only. No comparison whatsoever to what Rush did. He could have proven (or not) his design with actual testing along with uncrewed descents, but didn’t.

And from all the articles it comes that his usual response to any hint of pushback was, indignation, intimidation, dismissiveness, misdirection, basically “shut up, who the hell are you to question me”. Yep. “Alpha” Bro ways. Disruption as a value in and of itself.

I’ve been telling you all for years, we need a hit movie/HBO series where the guys who save the world and get the girls are the squares who play by rules and make evidence-based decisions.

Yeah, it’s been 28 years since Apollo 13. Someone get Ron Howard on the line!

Like Moneyball, but for the action/adventure genre? Or Oppenheimer without the downer ending?

Dagon’s Launch is kind of weird name for a sub, right?

It’s just an error on the registration form. An extra “a” snuck in there.

Well, I guess he “innovated” the shit out of his Titan, didn’t he?

I guess he forgot the basic tenant: every safety regulation was written in blood. Did he think you “innovate” until something breaks, or someone gets hurt, then you back off a little?

I kind of wish he hadn’t died. Had to appreciate karmic payback when you’re dead.