What do you mean “make up my mind”?
You were talking about colleges. I acknowledged that there are different way to be meritorious in that context.
Are you under the impression that I was saying that TJHSST should be admitting the best athletes in Fairfax?
In my opinion, merit should be objective, relevant and selective.
I don’t know but in my opinion racial diversity is not important enough to engage in racial discrimination. The notion that there is a good form of racial discrimination and a bad form of racial discrimination and that you can tell one from the other is giving yourself more power than I think anyone ought to have.
So at least you are acknowledging that your position is not as popular as you first thought.
So you think Harvard would suffer a significant drop in qualified applications if they didn’t engage in racial discrimination?
What is the contradiction? Are some races incapable of getting into good schools without racial preferences? If not, why not?
The criteria for qualifying for the proposed lottery was excluding 5% of applicants. That was what they had to do to get a lottery pool that had the melanin profile they wanted.
I think you may misunderstand why some parents push their kids.
For example, the vast majority of asian parents know that their kids have no chance at harvard or cal tech. They’re not smart enough, motivated enough or mature enough. But they still push them academically because no matter where they end up on the academic spectrum, they are better off higher on that spectrum than lower.
Again, this is just vague waffle that doesn’t actually confront any of the real-world hard choices about specific admissions criteria.
On the contrary, I’m providing supporting evidence that my position is indeed very popular, including among many people who simultaneously support positions that contradict it. Which I acknowledged right from the get-go in my post #9:
This cognitive dissonance among so many self-described “meritocracy” advocates is what’s producing the apparent contradiction that you’re mistakenly ascribing to me.
No, but disadvantaged groups on average have a much harder time accumulating the same sorts of achievement records and resumes as more privileged groups. And because of historical patterns in our country, general socioeconomic disadvantage often tracks closely with racial prejudice.
Unfortunately, a lot of people want to continue ignoring the realities of persistent inequality and disadvantage in our society, accomplish nothing to redress them, and label the result “objective meritocracy”.
Sure, if we are in a magic fantasy land where this test existed, let’s take that result.
There’s no magic test for lifeguards, and there’s no magic test for students either. You’re stuck with the real world tests that can be gamed, and loopholed, and twisted, only test the things you can test, and ignore the things you can’t test. This is why companies who constantly test and grade their employees via “objective” metrics are terrible places to work. They get employees who are more interested in the metrics than the job.
But, this isn’t someone looking to enter into a business contract, this is a child looking to go to school. Public schools don’t exist to maximize student output in order to drive shareholder value. They exist to benefit the people who live in the community, to be a place where children can learn and grow as people.
Oh, you mean the governor that also won thanks to promising to give parents a choice about vaccination and masking? It took very little time to find the kind of people that governor was going to appoint, in essence: tools.
From your cited article:
Dutta is blasting FCPS for suspending students for misgendering their peers – a policy the school board designed to protect transgender and gender-fluid students.
“I think instead of addressing our children’s needs, and ensuring that children can read and write and do math, what some people are doing is inserting their own ideology ahead of our children’s needs,” said Dutta. “This is extremely confusing for our children. And it doesn’t serve any purpose. This is really not education.
Yeah… lets not teach students about how wrong is to discriminate against transgender or gay students…
If you want to know what specific admissions criteria I would use it would depend on whether we are talking about a science and technology high school like tjhsst or a school like harvard college.
For a science and technology high schoollike tjhsst, I would use a test. I could be convinced to use other factors but a fair and objective test all by itself would be fine.
For a general college, I would use whatever objective methodology the college wants to use as long as identifying information was scrubbed form the application like the university of california system.
OK if you meant to say that racial preferences are in fact very unpopular but that people want racial diversity that can only be achieved through racial preferences, then I apologize. But then I disagree with the underlying assumption that diversity can only be achieved through racial preferences.
In what way is a poor hispanic immigrant more disadvantaged than a poor asian immigrant?
Would it surprise you to find out that in places like NYC, asians have higher rates of poverty than blacks?
Would it surprise you to hear that asians experience more hate crimes in NYC than blacks?
I don’t doubt that there is racism and that being white is easier than being black but how does that justify discriminating against asians?
There are literally thousands of studies saying that you can devise a test that measures your academic ability. Psychometrics is not a new things.
All the more reason to make sure that public resources are efficiently allocated.
The problem is that you end up admitting a bunch of kids that will fail in an environment that was not made for them.
Lowell high in san francisco actually went to a lottery and the failure rate of the kids admitted through lottery was significantly higher than the ones that were admitted through an academic screen.
Noted that these replies do not touch what @Kimstu is saying here. There is evidence of how prejudice can affect health care access, and that is a factor in affecting the early educational development of Hispanic immigrants vs the Asian ones.
Everyone appoints tools.
As long as the one doing the appointing was elected by the citizens it’s OK.
You don’t like the appointees? Try winning an election sometime.
Going out of your way to demonize otherwise liberal folks by calling them nazis if they aren’t as liberal as you is not a good way to win elections.
At least this tool doesn’t believe that there is such a thing as good racial discrimination versus bad racial discrimination.
She is objecting to an overly woke school board that is more focused on sjw bullshit than actually educating students. Their wokeness probably cost McAuliffe the election.
Do we have to bring the transgender debate into this too? Or are you trying to say that anyone that objects to anti-asian discrimination is also a transphobe?
Anyways, hopefully the state figures out how to get tjhsst back on track so that it stops admitting kids that need a year of remedial math.
And you continue to miss that when “woke” is used as a slur, in this context, most right wingers use it as a way of telling any person that would help unrepresented minorities to back off. Less polite people that did that before preferred to be more direct. (“Now you guys that we appointed, don’t become n***** lovers”)
That is what the tool that was appointed (and you were glad the ignorant governor did) said in the very article you cited. I don’t think she represents all Asians, but then it does not seem to be a problem for many conservatives.
“Furthermore, the disparity in health insurance coverage can completely explain the health care access differences between Asian and Hispanic immigrants.”
The article seems to also point to assimilation and english language ability.
This is a poverty thing, not a race thing.
If you want to provide additional opportunities for poor kids that is not a racial discrimination.
NYC tried this with their discovery program and they ended up with more blacks and hispanics AND asians but all at the cost of whites, so the program sort of stopped at the current level.
What makes you think a policy based on advancing merit is more likely to make nations poorer than one based on racial discrimination? That’s an odd conclusion.
Oy vey! When they appoint ignorant people, chances are that conservatives will get the ignorant results that conservatives want, but there will be also many more results that conservatives blissfully ignore that society will get, for that kind of people being appointed are much, much more likely to ignore evidence to produce policies that will make more harm than good.
Woke is used as a derogatory term by many on the left as well.
We are indeed telling you to back off.
You are losing elections.
The only elections you are winning are the ones replacing moderate democrats with marxist democrats without challenging a single republican seat.
I have to take off for a bit.
I will return later so I can deal with all the baseless accusations of racism and transphobia, etc. all at once.