To pretty much every waiter/waitress who has served me in the last few months:

IMHO children who are not yet able for whatever reason to sit quietly for the amount of time it takes to eat a meal do not belong in real restaurants. McDonalds & Burger Kind and their ilk don’t count. My first child would sit ever so quietly in a baby seat watching everything with fascination. The second was at least two before she would sit still for 5 minutes. She was not “bad,” she was just restless. And she had the most irritating high-pitched shriek when bored. We did not go to restaurants with her until she was old enough to understand how to behave in one. And if she did not behave, she was taken out to the lobby or elsewhere.

It is not fair to the wait staff or to other patrons to have to deal with a fractious infant or toddler.

And still, I completely agree with the person who said the wait staff should have just a LITTLE common sense.

What does that mean? I take my three kids (14, 7 and 5) out to eat frequently by myself, and have done so since the youngest was about a year old. Why is that suspect?

And no, I’m not one of the idiot parents. I have taught my children how to behave properly in restaurants, and would never have sat there letting any of the scream or make anybody else’s dining experience unpleasant.

…And the parents have the gall to blame the waiter because they couldn’t watch their dumbass kids? Are you shitting me?

Everyone else at that restaurant would be much happier if they had stayed home.

The waitstaff should use common sense. When I waited tables at a nice Italian restaurant, I usually asked the parents where they wanted me to place Li’l juniors food. I also moved anything that could be thrown/mangled/tossed out of harms way, even if it meant moving everything to the opposite side of the table. I don’t have any children, and even I know that kids can and will pick up anything within their reach.
I do agree that letting toddlers order for themselves is one of the biggest headaches for servers. That, and letting the precious darlings run free thru the restaurant while mom and dad blithely sip their drinks. If you can’t keep your darling at the table, stay home.

Hmmm … Next time I go to Hooters, I’ll definitely bring my kids, and put them in inconvenient places!

Of course, I’ll probably just end up with a steaming-hot, 30-lb tray on my head. :wink:

I have to say, most wait staff I’ve dealt with have been pretty intelligent about food/silverware/condiment placement with my kids at the table. It does seem to be a bit more of a problem in the pricier restaurants-I guess they’re not as used to it. (Nothing like the steak house waiter giving everyone a nice, sharp steak knife-including the three-year-old! :rolleyes: )

I’ve seen more than I like to think about of incompetent parents, though. It may be a matter of poor disciplinary thinking, though … (Kid cries.) Be quiet-people here are trying to eat! (Kid cries more.) I SAID BE QUIET!! (Kid cries more.) [SMACK!] (Kid shrieks.)

Nobody has ever had to listen to one of my children crying any longer than it took me to carry the crying child out of the restaurant. I’ve had to tell the staff to put everything in a doggie bag a couple times, but not too darn many. Once the kids realize that crying = instant exit (before dessert, of course), they’re much less inclined to start.

I still don’t see why the OP couldn’t have simply asked the waiter not to do it before deciding to short-change him on the tip. I doubt he was endangering the child on purpose.

I think this exchange answers your question, blowero:

Cessandra does ask the waitstaff not to put food and such in front of the toddler/infant. They don’t listen to her.

OK folks, it is time for the healing to begin. All the parents that are chiming in here basically seem to be of the “I know some parents are bad about their children in the restaurant, but when I bring precious baby to dine he is well behaves and raises his dainty pinky when sipping on Earl Grey” while the service folks all seem to be paragons of virtue that, while they grudgingly conceded that some waitrons can be bad, they certainly never are.

So, bullshit. I will start: One of my jobs is that of a chef. I take great pride in this and do an excellent job. But…when it is really busy, and when things are flying fast and furious I sometimes send out food that is sub-par. I know it, and am not sorry. That is how the business works.

In the same way, parents, I am sorry but just the fact that you have reproduced causes you to have a far greater impact on the rest of the world everywhere that you go. I know that there are benefits in the long run to society and what not, but that is the simple truth. Sorry.

And service folks, we all know that basically before too long we harbor a deep distrust and disrespect for the general public. And we all know that sometimes we give crappy service to folks that deserve better because we are still pissed at the person before them, or we are tired/hungover/drugged/drunk/whaterever. More truth.

So come on guys, fess up. You will feel better for it.

AHA! Herein lies the problem, you are a chef? ARRRGGGGHH!!! Frequently the very BANE (yes worse than stupid/cranky customers) of a server’s existance!!!

Cooks and chefs are at least EVERY bit, if not more responsible for a miserable work existance of a hapless server.

Screaming, cranky, childish prima donnas prone to throwing tantrums if the waitress relays even the simplest “special order” by a customer. Die cooks!!!

(Hey, you SAID to confess!!!).

Here here canvas.

Gay Mafia you say? No no, I am convinced there is a cooks mafia. Some of the bitchiest premadonna’s i’ve ever had to deal with.

“She want’s no mayo??deep sigh FINE! flips around with a dramatic hair toss that would be a lot more dramatic if consisting of more than a few strands that escaped from under the hat…

Ah, knock down drag out fights with the cooks, how I miss them.

Good times, good times… :slight_smile:

LOL Lezlers!! Now that you mention it, a good screaming hissy fit at a prissy snitty cook DID have the benefit of easing any life tensions one might have been experiencing!

(I especially liked the part about the dramatic three strand of hair flip)

Why thank you Canvas :slight_smile:

Yes, those screaming fits could be quite lethargic. The best though was when you had a pissy premaddona cook fighting with a pissy premaddona server. Now that was something to bust out the popcorn and pull up a chair over…

For the record, I view the waitrons as somewhat under my protection, and do everything in my power to see that they are treated well. That said, pity the fool that sends in a special order without checking as I will put the major bad hurting on them.

Seriously though, I know that the job that those folks do is beyond what I can stand (dealing with the general public, Brrr)

Aargh…this thread has taken quite a turn since the last time I visited it.

Cooks vs. servers. The debate is more intense than the liberals vs conservatives debate. I have done both, so (as usual), I think I can offer a fairly moderate opinion.

Servers are directly in control of how pleasant a diner’s experience is. Yes, cooks do make mistakes. I was the kitchen manager in a large Denny’s for five years (after spending five years as a cook/server). I worked a minimum of 60 hours a week for those five years…I would sometimes go months without a day off. I made damn good money doing it, though… I was the highest paid employee in the restaurant for the last two years I worked there.

However, I have done a wide variety of different jobs. Some sucked more than others. However, there is only one job on this earth that I have ever experienced to be worse the being a line cook. That is the life of a dishwasher (I’ve never, say, mined coal before). There is more stress in a line cook’s shift than one who has never done the job could possibly imagine. The thought process:

ok…I gotta drop two eggs over easy and two scrambled…gotta put toast in the toaster…get the bun ready…grab this ticket…steak over easy…drop some hash browns…get the fries ready to drop, save time…the fried chicken is done, but I can’t get to it yet…eggs need flipping, but I can’t get to it yet…damn, I’m out of chicken strips…damn, two more tickets coming up…flip the pancakes…run, flip the eggs…shit, toaster didn’t pop up, have to drop new stuff…flip the three burgers…eggs are done, hashbrown’s are done, bacon’s done, but the damn toast isn’t because the damn toaster malfunctioned…shit, the mozzerella sticks are oozing all over the fryer…gotta get that fried chicken out…damn, manager’s bitching about the toast not being done…damn, burgers are done, but I forgot to drop the fries…shit, four more tickets are coming through “I NEED SOME HELP BACK HERE.

The life of a line cook is hell on earth. The typical shelf life of a line cook at Denny’s is about a year and a half. Believe me when I say that servers have it easy. All they have to do is ring the ticket in correctly. If I could count the times when the cooks saved the day because the server screwed up, I’d be a mathmatical genius. My all time favorite was when a huge table would come in, all wanting seperate tabs. The server would go to ring up the order, but would forget to push the magical “chain-check” button that makes all the seperate orders come up on one ticket. Ever wonder why your food is cold when you eat in large groups? Because the first order the server punched into the computer is done cooking by the time she has finished entering the order.

And, as a final thought…I never sent out a sub-par product unless the managers demanded it.

I’ll never forget my last day. Busy as hell that day…we served 1400 people between four cooks in less than three hours…our restaurant is only “rated” to serve a maximum of 350 customers an hour. A server rang in a special we had at the time…it was an english muffin topped with two sausage patties, chopped onions and peppers, and two poached eggs with country gravy. It was a pain in the ass to balance all of that, not to mention the fact that poached eggs are the absolute biggest nemisis to any line cook. Luckily, I had two poached eggs that were extra and were just getting done when I received the ticket. I did the balancing act, and voila, perfection. Add a hashbrown, and thank God that mess is out of the way. Now I can tend to the other 120 people in front of me without having to worry about this anymore.

The server came up to the window and yelled, “I forgot to say ‘no onions’ on that sausage benedict order” and walked away.

So did I. From the profession. For good. I’m not really sure if that customer ever got his “sausage benedict without onions” or not.