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No. The team got fined $1 million, and lost some valuable draft picks. They did not fight that. Brady was suspended for 4 games, which was vacated in court last week. I don’t believe there are mechanisms in the NFL rules to allow them to take away a win, especially since doing it months later would have also meant the Super Bowl didn’t count, which would make the NFL look even more ridiculous than they currently do.
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Thursday. But that won’t end anything. If Brady has an outstanding night, certain persons will argue that’s absolute proof that ball pressure has little effect on his game. If he throws even slightly under his average, certain other persons will argue that’s absolute proof that without under-inflated balls, he’s a terrible quarterback.
Third option: on the first play from scrimmage, he’s sacked and suffers a career-ending injury, and the argument NEVER DIES.
(I would like to quietly insert the following thought: this whole argument hinges on the 2006 rule change allowing teams to prepare their own balls. Before 2006, Brady did OK for himself, including winning, you know, three Super Bowls in four years. Two more than he did in the subsequent 10.)
I swear I don’t know why every team’s get-out-the-season-ticket-buyers billboards don’t read “Your balls are not prepared for this!” over a picture of whoever their defensive star is.
Yes. It’s good that the Patriots were above reproach prior to 2007. Otherwise Brady’s entire crew would be mired in scandal.
He’s a fascinating long piece about Spygate and Deflategate, that just came out today. “Kraft productions” indeed.
So what exactly do you take away from that story? Other than ESPN trying to cover up its own ridiculously-wrong reporting, which they include anyway despite acknowledging they withdrew it already :rolleyes:. And a very nice story about how the evidence of something else long ago *used *to exist but Goodell had it destroyed, because reasons or something. :rolleyes:
Arlen Specter’s butthurt over his team losing a Super Bowl is well-established, along with the fact that his Iggles couldn’t move the ball in the fourth quarter because the Pats had hit McNabb so hard he couldn’t breathe, not because of play-calling. Yet they’re warming that over too, and presenting it as something serious and thoughtful.
Haters gonna hate.
The primary instigator of this thread has already pointed to a pair of drops in an exhibition game by a receiver they have since cut as proof.
He also claims to have above-average statistics skillz. 
http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/09/08/patriots-cheating-suspicions-bill-belichick-tom-brady
SI is also apparently trying to give cover to ESPN by detailing a culture cheating in Foxboro. #KraftProductions.
Nope, you need to read your own cites. SI “reports” that other teams have “suspicions”. :rolleyes:
The mockery will continue for exactly as long as you want it to, you know.
Geez,Hentor, we were pretty close on this, but that SI article is abusive sludge. A litany of mostly unattributed sources from opposing teams willing to say they don’t trust the Patriots, juxtaposed rather than linked to current allegations leading to…what, again? They’re just bad people, everybody knows it, therefore, what? The more this kind of crap goes on, the more shame I have for the NFL and its fans, which leaves that much less shame I have available for the Patriots. Criminy. A football of psi 12 outrages you, but an article like that leaves your sense of fairness untouched? Don’t force me into agreement with** ElvisL1ves**. Please.
You choose which dogs you lie down with all on your own, The King of Soup. I guess you’ll start singing Talyor Swift for us pretty soon too, huh?
I’m immune to that criticism because of incredible cultural ignorance. I still think the Patriots cheated, and I’m ashamed for them because of it, I feel much the same way on account of Spygate, and I still think the NFL and Roger Goodell managed to behave much worse in both cases, and I still think the article you linked to is tripe. And I still like you and your posts a lot. Make of that what you will.
I’m still a fan. You’ll know otherwise when I start misspelling your name, The Kind of Soup.
Opening Night: 25-32-0, 4 TD, in the rain. As if the balls didn’t make any difference. Or as if there never *were *any difference, hmm?
But don’t worry, there’s still 15 games left for you to start being right. 
I’m pretty sure he threw all four touchdowns before it started raining again, FWIW.
It was raining lightly through the whole game, then got heavy in the fourth quarter.
Well, to be honest if teams aren’t going to cover Gronk that really doesn’t say much about Brady…Ryan Leaf could excel with that served up for him.
Not that I think Brady won’t have another ProBowl year, he’s a hell of a QB.
Hmm, what do you make of that, Hentor?
Or, more simply, what have you been *right *about? Ever?
There are plenty of players who have thrown for 450-plus yards, three-plus touchdowns and no picks. The number of attempts is pretty meaningless (if anything, it’s worse to attempt more passes). In fact, Brady did it himself in the 2011 season opener.
That is not to say he didn’t have a very good game yesterday.
Six pages is way too much read about this foul franchise. Is there a definitive list of New England fans/defenders somewhere to aid me in knowing some of the posters to dismiss immediately in other threads?