Bless you both, look!ninjas (which has to be one of the coolest user names ever!) and Kythereia. I’m always overwhelmed by the support of the sweet members here. It’s that encouragement that helps to make others keep fighting and look for that “dawn” that we sure the hell pray comes after the darkness. Thank you so very, very much.
And to this…
Oh my God, how I love that! Can I borrow your bible some time? I seem to have misplaced that particular scripture and I’m sure I’d have a need for it in the future when I have my next meeting with my mother, AKA Shitler.
Perhaps cricetus is quoting from the version in which, which Jesus says of the woman to be stoned, “Let he who without sin throw the first stone”, a woman pick up a rock and clobbers the woman and the stoning begins. Jesus says, “Mother, sometimes you make me so mad!”
Oh, please. Where’s the pukey smiley when we need one? “Trying and doing our best” does not equal “success”, in the real world, only in some pablum-filled bizzaro land.
Depends on how you define success, doesn’t it, Jedi Master Fuckwad? It definitely equals “achievement,” and if you accept that eliminating a problem forever is impossible, then doing your best can indeed be success.
The Yoda quote just means that if you set out to “try” to accomplish something, you’ve already given up. It’s in response to Luke’s half-hearted “I’ll try” to one of Yoda’s requests.
Come to think of it, Yoda was dressed in rags and pinched Luke’s food… Bloody panhandling Jedi scum!
I want to give this thread some sort of award. We have covered homelessness, Bush supporters/non supporters/libertarians and now Yoda and whether or not he was based in EST teachings.
Although I appreciate the intent and the sentiment of what you expressed, I very much disagree on a fundamental level. Society is an hypostatized entity. It does not emote. It cannot care. Anthropomorphizing it is the convenient tool of tyrants and vagabonds who seek to exploit its populace. The onus is not upon us, as a society, to help one another; the onus is upon us, as individuals, to help one another. And it ought to be a moral, but not a civic, obligation. It is easy to blame society for not helping people — that way, we do not have to face the awsome brightness of our condemnation. It is not society that has failed, but we ourselves, when we do not give shelter in our homes to homeless people.
Since when does a quote from a muppet count as wisdom?
:rolleyes:
As to the OP: I believe that if a homeless person that I was familiar with had asked to use my bathroom, I’d have kept a fairly close watch, but would have let her use the bathroom. Then I would point out to her where the closest public bathrooms were, for future reference.
As for the other assertions about homelss people, it’s about as likely that they’ll all “just get a job” in one fell swoop, as that all the assholes like you will “just get a clue”. :wally
Anyone who takes the undesirable behavior of a portion of a group and applies it to the group as a whole, uses it for a reason to hate them, then willfully ignores anyone arguing to the commentary based on a handful of personal experiences is despicable. Period.
I understand your point, but there is absolutely no reason for anyone to have justification to hate ALL homeless/gay/black/Muslim/mentally handicapped/whatever individuals in a society with as much freely available information as we have. None.
No, the trite phrase “trying and doing our best” is NOT equivalent to success.
What are we going to have next, schools that refuse to give out individual letter grades, because, after all, every student is “trying their best”?
Or how about sports teams that don’t keep score during the game? After all, each child, and each team, are “trying and doing their best”, so why keep score? As long as everyone is doing their best…
Oh, wait, we already have examples of those things happening.
The idea that trying and solving a problem (as long as we are doing our best) equals actually solving a problem stems from the same fuzzy thinking, IMHO.
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Where did I misquote the Jedi Master? Your version is a few words longer, but the meaning doesn’t change, so huh?
Hey, people, let’s cut milroyj some slack. It must really suck for him, seeing as how he’s no longer our resident heartless bastard now that Kel’s around.
Your version is a few words longer, but the meaning doesn’t change, so huh?