Idiots. For Kripes sake, you live in Wisconsin (or Michigan, Minnesota, etc). It fucking snows here every year and you goddamn know it.
Why are you trying to get around in this shit in a Mustang GT? Or why did you buy a pick up truck that only has rear-wheel drive? You paid 40 grand for a truck and didn’t spend the few bucks for the 4 wheel drive option?
You’re slipping and sliding, driving wayyy too slow, crossing over lane lines, blocking up traffic. A line of cars behind you as you try to spin your way up a hill in your mini-van on your way to dildo practice. Front wheel drive is only slightly better than rear-wheel drive in heavy snow, idiot. Now we all have to be stuck behind you as you burn out your tranny. :mad:
I have a Corvette. You don’t see me out driving it in December, do you? Do what I did: save a little money each pay check and buy a used 4X4. You’ll get to where you’re going faster & easier, and you’ll stop annoying the rest of us out on the public highway.
If you can’t or won’t do that, at least stay the fuck off the roads with your rear wheel drive shitbox during snow storms, idiot!
And you jackasses who have AWD/4 wheel drive vehicles: They’re great in bad weather but they do not make you Superman! You still need to drive with courtesy and care! To the jackass that flew by me 5 miles ago going 20 over the limit in a storm: 4 wheel drive doesn’t help much on black ice, does it? That’s why you’re in the ditch now. Hope you freeze your cock off before anyone stops and helps you.
What I love about 4x4s here in KY is that people get them, raise the suspension to off-road height, add 30-some inch tires and then… creep over a 4" speed bump at 1mph like they’re terrified of hurting something. And forget about driving in the snow (for the 6 hours a season we have some) - you’d think they were driving lowered Ferraris.
And, coincidentally enough, I saw a C5 Corvette on the road today (as well as two guys on a Harley), but it’s 52-degrees here today and will be close to 70 tomorrow.
Weird. I lived for twelve years in the northern Rockies and drove a 1980 Accord without chains or studs the whole time. I’d say it’s much more a matter of technique rather than equipment. Now there was pretty good municipal snow removal and a couple of hills I simply avoided when a snow floor was present, but I plowed through some decent snowfalls safely, albeit prudently. Addressing technique, I saw plenty of visitors or goons attempting the impossible so I do empathize with your sentiment, just not your conclusions.
I grew up in Alaska with 2-wheel drive vehicles in a time when 4WD meant Warn hubs and were rare. The car I learned to drive with was a Rambler with positraction (which sure helped). I never owned an AWD vehicle until I bought a Jeep in the 90s.
That said, I heartily endorse the OP. The technology has been in place for quite a long time now. If you live in snowy climes and can afford it, then buy it. A lot of people in Portland drive 2WD vehicles. It’s understandable, as we don’t get much snow or ice, but when we do the place goes nuts. But if you can’t afford the AWD option, there are these devices called “tire chains”. They’re not all that expensive and you can teach yourself to put them on quickly. Try it, instead of putting the city into fucking gridlock over an inch of snow.
I grew up in Chicago and learned to drive well with rwd. That’s what there was. But my pop taught me the tricks and my buds and I would go out after snow storms and fool around in the K Mart parking lot. Fwd can work well too, but even with AWD or 4wd there are limitations and nothing beats practice and seat time. I wish I had 4wd back in “the day”. It would have saved many a hairy moment but then again I would have searched out the limits of it.
Assholes who don’t respect the conditions will piss off the Good Humor Man. :mad:
I don’t have a 4 wheel drive. I don’t live in a place where I need it more than 4 times a year. I have to work no matter how much snow there is on the roads. If you want to buy me a 4 wheel drive go right ahead.
I admit, i’ve never lived in Wisconsin or anywhere else that gets really harsh winter weather. My closest would be a couple of years in Vancouver, and a couple in the north of England. So tell me if i’m off base here.
I’m willing to bet that in Wisconsin, or Michigan, or anywhere else where snow and ice are such a regular part of every winter, “I didn’t want to drive in the snow” does not generally constitute an acceptable excuse for why you failed to turn up to your place of employment. Whether you’re a nurse or a supermarket cashier or an office cubicle drone or a school teacher, i assume that you’re expected to show up for work in all but the worst weather events.
It’s all very well to tell people to stay home, but if they lose their jobs, they might not have homes to stay in for very long. Rent and mortgages need to get paid, as do utility and food bills. And, of course, you’d probably bitch if you turned up to the 7-11 for your daily 64-oz Mountain Dew and wad of beef jerky, only to find there was no-one at the counter because they didn’t want to brave the highways
I guess, though, that low-wage workers, the ones most vulnerable to threats of unemployment, should either stay in front of the TV, or do the smart thing and put their Corvettes away for the winter and just drive the back-up 4x4 instead.
If you can afford to drive a new Mustang GT, like the idiot 10 cars were lined up behind Friday night, then you probably can afford (or at least have the credit for a loan) a used 4X4. Stay the hell off the road during a snow storm if your car isn’t snow worthy.
Having to go to work is not a good excuse to endanger yourself and everyone else on the road. Not when snow chains cost as little as $19. People can spend half a day’s minimum wage pay and get two sets if they need to; if it was me I’d rather pay $40 now than $40,000 (or more) in hospital bills and damages later.
Why would you sign up for a hill top dildo dojo? The best place for practicing the dark dildo arts is in a valley, as we all know. Those people really are idiots, nevermind the 2WD-in-snow issue.
Actually, I only spent 14k on my pick up and you are correct it is a mere 2W rear drive. My other vehicle, which I also spent 14k on, is a front drive sedan. Oddly enough, I have been driving over 35 years in all manner of winter weather without accident, slide-offs, or getting stuck on the road (I have gotten mired down in my own driveway, but I assume you were not referring to that sort of thing as it does not inconvenience anyone else).
Meanwhile, I’ve passed a lot of overturned 4WD vehicles overturned and in ditches.
There are some situations where you need a 4WD. I don’t go out and look for them. I do, however, know the abilities and limitations of my vehicles and do my best to drive within those limits. While that does mean that sometimes I don’t go as fast as the person behind me might like I stay in my lane, don’t slip and slide more than anyone else (and sometimes less), and at least I do keep moving.
The problem isn’t so much the vehicle as the driver at the wheel. There is a point where I park the car/pick-up and stay home (or stay where I am at the time) but I’ll be damned if I’m purchasing something for YOUR convenience or staying inside at the first sign of a snowflake.
^ And THAT I think is much more of a problem - drivers who exceed both their capability and that of their vehicles.
4wd isn’t needed, proper winter tyres and good technique are.
A 4wd vehicle with standard or all-season tyres isn’t anywhere near as effective as a 2wd with real snow tyres. In fact, someone may buy a 4wd drive car and think that feature alone gives them carte-blanche to drive like a dick.
Get proper tyres people. It is like night and day. I recall a 4wd Merc on all-seasons getting nowhere on a black-ice gentle gradient in a ski gondola car park. It had to reverse all the way back, turn round and go out of the car park the wrong way to avoid any slopes at all.
I had a 2wd skoda yeti on Dunlop 3d’s and happily pootled up the same black ice gradient and parallel parked on it, then pulled away at the end of the day without any drama. (so icy that I had to hold onto the fence after getting in and out of the car because it was so slippery)
I spent the first 35 years of my life in the frozen north and have never owned a 4WD or AWD vehicle. If you don’t know how to drive in ice/snow, getting a 4WD or AWD is just going to get you into trouble faster.
It’s funny how knowing to drive on snow/ice stays with you even if you don’t use it. I’d lived in S Cal for about 25 years when I made a trip to Michigan while they had ~ two feet of snow. The car I’d driven there had FWD and regular tires, but I had zero trouble getting around. Now, being outside in -1 degrees … :eek:
I learned to drive on snow in a '73 Nova with a 350 V8 engine. Had to put something in the trunk to weigh the back end down, but I didn’t need chains, just snow tires. You just have to gear down and not try to speed up or brake too quickly. This was back before everybody had AWD; these days I drive a Subaru Impreza and I never have any trouble on snow.
