What mouthbreather said. Just because people understood the post doesn’t mean that they would have automatically thought the back-door method up on their own.
Also:
Have you read this thread? It’s been stated many times that a number of other people figured out the back-door method, and e-mailed the administration about it. THAT is the proper way of dealing with this. Not posting it in a public forum where there is a chance that some other asshole will see it and think “Ooh! That’s a good idea!”
Also, the mods have said in this thread that they don’t want to fool around with the way that the Vb system is set up. Therefore, a fix was not too logical of a solution, since it would require just that.
Silo was banned because he did things the wrong way, and then didn’t seem to recognize that he’d made a mistake. Stuff like this happens, and the mods handled it very well given the circumstances. Get over it.
I wonder if we could apply it generally. Hmmmm, think of the possibilities!
We could eliminate GQ. THat should aid board performance. After all, if an answer is posted then either people will understand the information, in which case they could have figured it out for themselves, or they wouldn’t, in which case it wouldn’t help them.
Libraries could save money by eliminating reference librarians. After all, if someone can understand teh information gien they could have found it themselves.
No more information booths in malls. Alright!! We can squeeze in another cheesy photo shop ot t-shirt vendor.
Switchboard Operators? Feh! If someone could figure out how to dial the number they would be able to find the number too.
Goodness, we can revolutionize the information industry entirely. "I’m sorry, if you were capable of understanding our documentation you wouldn’t need it. [sub]what do you mean this is already happening? Damn! I wanted to be on the bleeding edge.[/sub]
You are wrong, Lover Boy. It never would have occurred to me to look for a way around it, and I didn’t quite know what he meant. However, because he posted it, I was tempted to play around and figure it out. And I have enough confidence in my abilities that I think I could have figured it out by the end of the day. But I didn’t because the mods said, “That’s a no-no.”
I’d like to second goboy’s intervention and register my general support for the Mods and Admin as * volunteers * who put up with some fairly bitchy and self-indulgent behaviour here. Regardless of whether some criticable events occured (adhering to goboys comments) there really isn’t any justification for the ridiculous comments here. I dearly hope if I were banned that none of this sort of drama would go on. (I suppose celebrating would be more likely)
And a note to techchick et. al. I find it hard to credit that anyone with a passing understanding of html and internet applications did not grasp his recommendation. I certainly did after some brief reflection and I have not one whit of computer education to my credit.
I’ll give you props for the apology manhattan, but I have spoken with Silo and now know what the exact reasoning behind his banning was. Posting the cryptic way to get around the search function was one thing, but the last straw was he was “ugly to Manny”. I am paraphrasing of course, but this is the end all be all.
Let me repeat that. He was banned because he was not nice. Wow. Good reasoning IMHO. I am not being nice in this thread. Matter of fact, I have been “ugly” to Manny along with others as well. Perhaps by posting some cryptic saying that I know how to hack into the server and get everyone’s email address to spam them with will get me banned.
So through all this what have we learned?
Don’t post stuff about the boards in which the Mods/Admin’s don’t want you too.
Let’s say P = “A poster is not nice” and Q = “A poster will be banned”
rob is arguing that Silo got banned because he wasn’t being nice. In other words, according to rob, If P then Q (i.e. “If you are not nice you will be banned” ) is True.
Also note that rob admits that rob, by his own admission, is “not being nice”. So in reference to rob, P is true.
However, the astute observer will note a small subtlety. Namely, that rob is not banned. In other words, Q is False.
When P is True and Q is False, the statement If P then Q is False.
Therefore, according to the rules of tautology, rob, you’re speaking from your sphincter.
Actually, why I learned was that if a moderator tells me not to do something, the correct reponse in the public forum is “Ok, sorry about that”, not a dimissive remark.
This would be especially true if I was on probation for being a troll. No one is above banning.
That said, I’m sorry to see Silo banned. He’s a cool guy, and maybe someday he can come back.
Hm, actually the long load time got me to thinkin’… My liberal use of verb tenses weakens my argument somewhat.
One could argue that rob could still be banned at a future date for his perceived not nice behavior in this thread thus upholding the truth of the orginal statement.
Should you be banned for your behavior in this thread up to this point, rob, I’ll concede the truth of your point. But should you not get banned, or should it take excessively obnoxious behavior to do so, I’m sure you’ll graciously recognize the flaw in your own assertion.
I hate to split hairs here, especially in my own argument, but we are here to Fight Ignorance, after all…
Fuck those of you who think I’m bashing the mods for all their thankless work.
I’m focusing on manhattan and TubaDiva for their behavior in this one particular series of events. I thank manny for apologizing, and I apologize to him as well (I was a little stressed and upset at the time I posted that. I’m not normally that abrasive.)
I also feel I should apologize to Tuba because she was doing what she felt was proper under the circumstances. I shouldn’t have called her a bitch because of that, and for that I’m sorry.
I do not retract my sentiments that I feel Silo’s banning was innappropriate.
That cause would be truth… I belive the reason these msg boards have become so popular, because you can come here to get “the straight dope”, as it were. All be it Silo’s actions were rude and obnixious, he should not have been banned. If that is the case manhatian should also face the same punishment for his actions, which were also rude and obnixious.
When the leadership fails to act in a proper manner when dealing with a SMALL matter such as this, this is the resultant backlash aginst that leadership. This matter should have been quelled ASAP, the post should have been deleted and then moved on, but when anger get’s involved it is not easy… and no one ever said that being an admin or moderator is easy.
Last time I checked, being a smart ass wasn’t a crime… expecially when the moderators have some quip.
To think I was actuially respecting Eutychus55 as a moderator, until his little outburst… sad that someone so ignorant claims to be on boards that fight that ignorance.
Save us all the time and expence of a revolution and back away into the shadows…
Regardless of my feelings on the issue (worth less than two cents, anyway), this has to be the most moronic thing I’ve seen all week…and just yesterday I looked in a mirror while completely plastered.
When I read your post NPavelkaI rolled my eyes so hard, my head actually hurts.
Did every single mod and admin on the SD need to say something to Silo before he would do the proper thing and apologize? Wasn’t it enough that Euty(twice), and Lynn, and Manny got involved? At that point maybe some bells should have been ringing? He had to keep pushing it and pushing it…he had three oppurtunities to apologize before Tuba banned him. Three. How many should they have given him? Four? Six? Eight? An infinite amount? Would it have been so difficult to say “You are right, I’m sorry.” instead of “Getting a bit bent out of shape, aren’t we?”
I would never, ever persume to have the right to make a snide remark at a mod or admin instead of doing what they ask, and I’ve never even been warned before! Silo of all people should have known better. He’s played this game before, he knew the rules.
I’m sure he’s heartbroken :rolleyes: Here’s a clue, if you genuinely respect someone then a couple of comments delivered in something other than a beaming, radient tone shouldn’t be enough to make you lose that respect.
As regards manny, personally, I like him. Sure he can be acerbic and even harsh at times. That’s why I like him, he doesn’t take any shit. The same is true of Tubadiva. For all those who criticise Manhatten please bear in mind that he is a moderator of the second busiest forum on a board with 1318105 posts (at this time of writing) of which his forum contains nearly 1/4. He has to read e-v-e-r-y s-i-n-g-l-e p-o-s-t in that forum. Not only that, he does it of his own free will. If it were me I’d probably have gone postal in a week The same is true for Tubadiva but instead of reading every post in a single forum she has to keep a fairly close eye on all the fora and do all necessary technical stuff too.
I personally don’t care that Silo was banned, I never noticed him so I don’t miss him much. I won’t reiterate what’s already been said except to say that if Silo has any semblance of a life at all he’ll already be over this. Why don’t we join him?
Not manhatten! A not E, peoples! No wonder he’s so pissy, with all the rampant misspelling!
Ok. Carry on, all of you. Though I wish you wouldn’t.
[sub]Thank the holy Moses I previewed, or I would have been smote with Gaudere’s Law! I misspelled manhattan (forgot the n at the end) in the last line![/sub]
Not good enough. I won’t be satisfied until you call me a Nazi. Coldy gets called a Nazi all the time. I mean, I try and I try and I just can’t live up to it.
I’ve been a part of a lot of message boards and moderated news groups over the years. I am currently a moderator and founder of a message board though much smaller than SDMB. We’ve had to remove a couple of people over the last few years on my MB too. I haven’t been around here all that long but politics here are not much different than the other places that I’ve been.
It is a fact the the Mods react differently to different members. Something posted by one guy won’t earn a second look but posted by another guy will get a warning. Guess what? Members do the same thing. The exact same pit thread started by one person will earn “atta boys” but if posted by a different person will get a dozen counter-attack posts and a night of bashing on IRC. (I don’t put myself in either of these groups.) Hey, it’s human nature. Deal.
Like I said, I’ve been around. My opinion is worth what you paid for it but this is, in my opinion, the best moderated board I have ever seen. Again, the best moderated board I have ever seen. Not perfect by a long shot but very, very good.
Those of you whose emotions about this are more than a 3 out of 10 need to get out more. “Outraged,” “sickened.” Give me a fucking break.
Yes, and because of this I have kept a somewhat civil tone on this issue. The entire issue is about Silo being banned and the stupid reasoning behind it. If you are not going to let him return, fine. That is your prerogative, but the Mods/Admins are making this look like a lynching that is a year late. Even though manhatten has openly apologized for his outburst in ATMB, it still does not change the fact that it happened and in direct relation of the outburst Silo was banned.
There has been no public mention of anything with the moderator’s who were a part of this punishment, but I have it on good authority that it has not made TPTB very happy. You want to Fight Ignorance? Then fight it and get rid of the people who were involved in this mess in the first place. The moderator’s have a tough job, I don’t doubt that but time and time again they have shown that they let their own feelings get invovled with the job that they have to do. In this case both Manhatten and TubaDiva have done it, and I believe that they need to be gone. Fired. Kaput. I think Ed Zotti needs to get involved here, and stand up for what is right instead of making a managerial decision. Instead of showing solidarity of the Mods/Admins we, the lowly posters need to see that the two people who made the mistake of banning Silo are sacked. They don’t need their Mod/Admin status any longer, as they cannot be trusted not to put their own feelings into their decisions. You want to be a Mod/Admin, and then learn to keep your feelings out of it! Let me put it another way. If I were the manager of a business and fired someone that way, my bosses would fire me.
Ed Zotti: You need to stand up for what is right, and get rid of both manhatten and TubaDiva.
This entire issue has caused me to be very uneasy with my posting. Even with this very post I have checked and double check it to make sure that all the t’s and i’s are crossed and dotted. Amazing what a little paranoia will do to you.
The same is true for Tubadiva but instead of reading every post in a single forum she has to keep a fairly close eye on all the fora and do all necessary technical stuff too.