To the overweight, white trash bitch in the Trans Am...

[Zoe]

I think it is hilarious that the anti-PC crowd is having fits about what the “Offenderati” say. Who says that Americans don’t find irony funny! This one does!

There are certain groups of people who have had to make a point of their worthiness to share the earth with “normal” people. Those groups include, but are not limited to, Jews, homosexuals, Southerners, the Poles, Blacks, Muslims, mentally handicapped, women, the poor and the overweight. These people have been the brunt of unkind jokes over and over and over. We have come to recognize that certain words are hurled as insults not as relevant or enhancing descriptions. As Wakimika defended the OP earlier, “The idea is to be insulting after all.”

We all recognized that “overweight” was meant to be as insulting as “white trash” and “bitch.” If you deny that, you are either lying to us, lying to yourself, or you are just plain dense.

I am glad that the OP said “overweight” instead of even more disparaging words about size.

Anytime that being overweight is used as a perjorative, I will speak up and then you can be offended by my words too – as apparently some of you have been. Welcome to membership in the Offenderati!

[Ms2001]

*Originally posted by lezlers *
I think it’s the “trash” part. You can be white and not trashy. You can be poor and not trashy. I’m both. I’m pretty poor and I’m white, but I don’t consider myself "trash."

What’s so bad about trash, huh? What have you got against trash?

Everyone makes trash, you know. Everybody throws things away. Some people even earn their living working in, on, or around trash every day. Why do you hate those people so much?

It’s not even the trash’s fault someone wanted to throw it away. Maybe they got a new appliance and decided to throw out the old one - how can you blame the old one for being trash? It worked fine all those years!

There’s so much bias in our culture against trash. It seems like this anti-trashism is the only stereotype left in our supposedly “enlightened” society, and I am shocked, shocked, to see my fellow Dopers making jokes about trash. Have you no basic human decency? Trashy people are people too!

[Jaade]

*Originally posted by Binarydrone *
**Toaster52, let us assume for a moment that the OP using the term “overweight” gets a pass. After all, it is just descriptive. We still have the problem of white trash. I would hope that you can see that calling someone an overweight whit trash bitch could easily be seen as offensive. **

Nonsense, we people here in Houston fully acknowledge that we have white trash down here.

And white trash is not insulting to me (a white girl from the South whose dad hunts, fishes AND lives in a trailer) BECAUSE we are not trashy people.

I knew the “sizist” argument was going to come up, but for goodness sakes, let us have our white trash insults.

Because once white trash is off limits, God help you Yankees.

~J

[CanvasShoes]

This is NOT another “PC” hijack. (though it is a hijack)

I’m honestly curious and hoping that someone (those who like including people’s sizes along with additional descriptions, ala fat cottage cheese ass, could explain to me why fatness, overweightness, obesity (along with the adjectives: disgusting, lazy, pig etc) are used when ranting about bad drivers, rude people, etc, and other “descriptives” such as “blonde, skinny, freckled, muscled, etc” aren’t.

It seems as if it’s okay in the name of “describing the scene” or “setting up the scenario” but only if the perpetrator is fat, maybe it happens, and I’ve missed those threads, but one hardly ever sees other insulting descriptions of someone’s appearance other than fat, or ugly, or fat AND ugly.

What the Professional Offenderati Offenderati don’t understand is that it’s NOT the use of the word as a descriptor <the man was fat> it’s the inference that their weight has something to do with their bad actions.

Anyway, sorry, I was asking an honest question, why does “fat” (and all it’s fellow namecalling) NEED to be used in these “the fat homely bitch who cut me off etc” type threads?

And then, when the “offenderati” as the offenderati detractors call it, say "hey, could you please do this without getting so ugly about someone’s “cottage cheese ass???”, the Rabid Faction of Anti-Offenderati, get very defensive and possessive about their rights to denigrate someone based on their weight, claiming “this is the pit” and it’s only a description, not a slam.

THIS OP didn’t really do that, and I’ve read lots of other stuff by Space Cowboy and he really doesn’t strike me as the sort to BE mean like that, but others have gone way overboard with it, and after reading (and contributing ::sheepish grin: to so many of these meltdowns, I’m just so curious!

Why do some dopers cling to the right to bash fat? And yes, I agree, as much as some of us don’t like it, this IS the pit, and for those of you who DO do that, you do have the right to say what you want (just as others have the right to come down on you like a ton of bricks when you do).

It just seems as if every other thread that someone posts about someone with whom they had a “road rage” experience, the heading, and the OP are full of rude references to the person’s weight and ugliness because of it.

Isn’t there a more intelligent, clever way to use words? One that doesn’t allow you to merely grab the easy insult?

[lezlers]

*Originally posted by Mr2001 *
**What’s so bad about trash, huh? What have you got against trash?

Everyone makes trash, you know. Everybody throws things away. Some people even earn their living working in, on, or around trash every day. Why do you hate those people so much?

It’s not even the trash’s fault someone wanted to throw it away. Maybe they got a new appliance and decided to throw out the old one - how can you blame the old one for being trash? It worked fine all those years!

There’s so much bias in our culture against trash. It seems like this anti-trashism is the only stereotype left in our supposedly “enlightened” society, and I am shocked, shocked, to see my fellow Dopers making jokes about trash. Have you no basic human decency? Trashy people are people too! **

Did you read my entire post Mr2001? Or are you just scanning for random things to pull out and poke fun of? I’m on your side dude. I think the Offenderati seriously need to get themselves lives. Sorry, but nothing pisses me off more than people taking lines out of context and using them as an example for what I’m fighting against.

And Zoe, your logical leaps are astounding. No one is offended by the offenderati, we’re just freakin’ sick of the incessant whining. There’s a difference.

CanvasShoes, maybe it’s because all of the people that did stuff to get them ranted were fat and/or ugly? Hey, it’s a possibility. I won’t speak for my fellow Anti-Offenderati’s, but I’ll speak for myself. I get irritated with the Professional Offenderati b/c it comes across to me a lot of the time that they’re not even really offended, they’re just objecting for the sake of objecting. It just seems as if lately, you can’t say anything of a remotely offensive nature w/o them jumping all over you. It kind of defeats the purpose of ranting when you have to edit yourself constantly. Being called a bigot for describing someone as “white trash” I also feel is unnessary and a bit of hyperbole. There was a thread on this forum not too long ago about a bunch of random words being deleted (or the school boards and various groups wanted them deleted) from books used in schools. It kind of feels as if this board is starting to act like a lot of those groups. That’s the best way I can describe my feelings about it. When people are offended that the OP named the kind of car the woman was driving, that’s crossing the line. What, we’re sticking up for Trans Ams now? It also undermines actual bigotry. When a poster can get as big of a pile-on for using the term “overweight” as he could using the term “spick” or “nigger” something is wrong. It’s illegitimizing real bigotry and the people who may have been victims of it. Zoe did it when she lumped “fat” in with “jewish, black and homosexuals”. I’m sorry, but “fat” is not in that equation. Yes, you may get discriminated against, but I can almost gurantee that you’re not going to find many fat people that were killed because they were fat. I don’t think anyone’s fat relatives or ancestors were lynched or died in concentration camps. To me, that would be pretty insulting to Jews, Blacks and Homosexuals. I just think all of the PCness is getting a bit out of control and we’re ultimately doing ourselves a disservice by being so hyper sensitive.

That’s why I get so annoyed by the Professional Offenderati.

[Ryle_Dup]

Alright I got tired of listening to people bitching about the use of ‘white trash’ so I skipped most of the thread so sorry if this is mentioned beforehand.

Why the HELL would anyone assosciate themselves with the supposed ‘group’ of white trash. I have always known white trash not to be a group of trailer living people, but rather just a name for ‘skanky’ lookin people.

White trash is not something you ARE, its just a label / insult. If you honestly call yourself white trash, sorry.

White trash =! gay/black/asian/etc.

[Ms2001]

*Originally posted by lezlers *
Did you read my entire post Mr2001? Or are you just scanning for random things to pull out and poke fun of? I’m on your side dude. I think the Offenderati seriously need to get themselves lives.

I read your entire post, then pulled out a random thing and poked fun at it. Not to spite you, but to spite the Offenderati.

[elfkin477]

*Originally posted by CanvasShoes *
**This is NOT another “PC” hijack. (though it is a hijack)

I’m honestly curious and hoping that someone (those who like including people’s sizes along with additional descriptions, ala fat cottage cheese ass, could explain to me why fatness, overweightness, obesity (along with the adjectives: disgusting, lazy, pig etc) are used when ranting about bad drivers, rude people, etc, and other “descriptives” such as “blonde, skinny, freckled, muscled, etc” aren’t.
**

Google:
“fat blonde bitch” 248,000 hits
“skinny blond bitch” 39,000 hits
“skinny blonde bitch” 50,900 hits
" skinny bitch" 123,000 hits
" thin blond bitch" 91,000
" obsese blonde bitch" 9,000 hits
" anorexic blonde bitch" 5,200 hits
" overweight blonde bitch" 8,000 hits

“cottage cheese ass” 10,600 hits
" frecked bitch" 13 hits
" fat asshole" 277,000 hits
" skinny asshole" 65,000 hits (sounds like a band name!)
" fat bitch" 767,000 hits
" skinny bitch" 120,00 hits
" blond bitch" 260,000 hits
" blonde bitch" 800,000 hits
While more people are called fat bitches than skinny bitches, it looks like people hate blond(e)s more than fat people. I tried various pejoritives with “muscled” but only found porn sites…

[Quasimodem]

Anybody else wondering to themselves if Funky is sitting at home, in front of his screen, reading three pages of his thread, scratching his head and saying “What the fuck?”?

Q

[CanvasShoes]

*Originally posted by lezlers *
CanvasShoes, maybe it’s because all of the people that did stuff to get them ranted were fat and/or ugly? Hey, it’s a possibility. I won’t speak for my fellow Anti-Offenderati’s, but I’ll speak for myself. I get irritated with the Professional Offenderati b/c it comes across to me a lot of the time that they’re not even really offended, they’re just objecting for the sake of objecting.

Hmmmmmmmmm that makes sense. I guess that’s entirely possible. Thanks for answering, I was honestly curious and was hoping not to sound like another pc hijack!!

It just seems as if lately, you can’t say anything of a remotely offensive nature w/o them jumping all over you. It kind of defeats the purpose of ranting when you have to edit yourself constantly. Being called a bigot for describing someone as “white trash” I also feel is unnessary and a bit of hyperbole.

See, now I find the PCness against the term “white trash” kind of silly. I thought that everyone used that term in the sense in which it was intended, that is that it describes (as someone here so eloquently said) toothless, Jerry Springerite, mullet-wearing, genetic accidents (although I highly suspect that many, if not most of those people are really just actors).

When a poster can get as big of a pile-on for using the term “overweight” as he could using the term “spick” or “nigger” something is wrong. It’s illegitimizing real bigotry and the people who may have been victims of it. Zoe did it when she lumped “fat” in with “jewish, black and homosexuals”. I’m sorry, but “fat” is not in that equation. Yes, you may get discriminated against, but I can almost gurantee that you’re not going to find many fat people that were killed because they were fat. I don’t think anyone’s fat relatives or ancestors were lynched or died in concentration camps. To me, that would be pretty insulting to Jews, Blacks and Homosexuals. I just think all of the PCness is getting a bit out of control and we’re ultimately doing ourselves a disservice by being so hyper sensitive.
That’s why I get so annoyed by the Professional Offenderati. **

I can see that point, but I think where a lot of people hop in (and yeah, I agree with your assessment of people protesting just to be protesting), is that some threads, they are written in such a way that it’s obvious the OP buys into it being okay to make fun of the last group in America that it’s “okay” to make fun of.

As to obese people having been treated in an equally violent way, or having as equally bad a history with discrimination? Well, that’s true. But that BEING true doesn’t mean that “oh, so it’s okay to bust on someone for being fat then”.

Where I, (and many of the other PCrs) get irate is when that is used as carte blanche to go ahead and rag on fat people. And then rag they do, ad nauseum.

That being said, while I felt a mild annoyance at the “cottage cheese ass” reference (come on Space Cowboy’s she was sitting on it!!! how could you tell? :D), I’ve read many of Space Cowboy’s other posts. That coupled with his overall tone in the OP here, lead me to believe that he did NOT fall into that group.

I’m just curious as to why more dopers don’t do that? That is, recognize a doper who posts fairly regularly and “read” (at least somewhat) his intent knowing how they normally are.

[CanvasShoes]

Originally posted by elfkin477 *
Google:
“fat blonde bitch” 248,000 hits
“skinny blond bitch” 39,000 hits
"skinny blonde* bitch" 50,900 hits
" skinny bitch" 123,000 hits
" thin blond bitch" 91,000
" obsese blonde bitch" 9,000 hits
" anorexic blonde bitch" 5,200 hits
" overweight blonde bitch" 8,000 hits

“cottage cheese ass” 10,600 hits
" frecked bitch" 13 hits
" fat asshole" 277,000 hits
" skinny asshole" 65,000 hits (sounds like a band name!)
" fat bitch" 767,000 hits
" skinny bitch" 120,00 hits
" blond bitch" 260,000 hits
" blonde bitch" 800,000 hits
While more people are called fat bitches than skinny bitches, it looks like people hate blond(e)s more than fat people. I tried various pejoritives with “muscled” but only found porn sites… **

LOL@ the band name reference, Oh my!! You did a lot of work here (sorry, I was actually asking about here at SDMB, but heck, this is interesting too!!).

Interesting though, fat beat out skinny, but skinny appears to be an insult of fairly extensive use too!

Boy, and we blondes aren’t very well liked are we? (maybe I should keep the brunette dye job??).

[Diane]

Isn’t it entertaining how the posters who are yammering “GET OVER IT!!!” “Get a life!” “we’re just freakin’ sick of the incessant whining!” are really the only people bitching and whining and even really give a shit about this thread?

Get over it already!! Get a life! And please, stop your incessant whining!!!

Here’s a fucking tissue.

[lezlers]

:rolleyes:

Diane do you actually have anything to contribute to this thread or are you just trying to reach your “snarky drive by” quota?

Some of us are actually having discussions here, if you want to join in, fine. If not, then please move on.

[Diane]

Uh listen up Snookums, you are not the arbitrator of when, where, or what I post, got it? I’ll move on whenever or however the fuck I please. Don’t fool yourself into thinking you have any influence over it.

Secondly, you wanna whine and snivel all over this board - and believe me, I am getting a little tired of seeing your boogery tears all over this joint, go right ahead. Just don’t be surprised when some of us see the irony in your incessant whining about other people’s incessant whining, when your words are all staring to look like annoying background noise that consists of nothing more than “wah wah wah”.

Using your own words - GET OVER IT!

Now go blow your nose and clean yourself up, you’re embarrassing yourself.

[Fin_man]

*Originally posted by Diane *
**Uh listen up Snookums, you are not the arbitrator of when, where, or what I post, got it? I’ll move on whenever or however the fuck I please. Don’t fool yourself into thinking you have any influence over it.

Secondly, you wanna whine and snivel all over this board - and believe me, I am getting a little tired of seeing your boogery tears all over this joint, go right ahead. Just don’t be surprised when some of us see the irony in your incessant whining about other people’s incessant whining, when your words are all staring to look like annoying background noise that consists of nothing more than “wah wah wah”.

Using your own words - GET OVER IT!

Now go blow your nose and clean yourself up, you’re embarrassing yourself. **

Damn, PMSing much? If you are getting tired of seeing her “boogery tears”, stop reading her posts. Seems simple to me.

[Diane]

PMSing? Naw, just getting ready to break out the violin.

[Aries28]

Oohh…Diane I’m sorry but I can tell from your post that about 5 hours had passed since the last response came in. Sorry…better luck next time. Thanks for playing…

I think I was called on the carpet for this very thing in a previous thread.

Looks like that chart you suggested might come in handy after all…

Oh come on, Diane I’m just messin with ya! It was sheer coincidence I saw that when I pulled up this thread and I just HAD to kid you about it.

No harm. Don’t hurt me!

[elf6c]

. . . or are you just trying to reach your “snarky drive by” quota?

Shit, there’s a quota now?

Better go make fun of some of the nerds in the ever present Star Trek threads in Cafe Society.

Oh, and for the enlightened members who cannot stand sharing the road with cyclists who are legally there. Tough fucking shit- take a bus if you can’t hack it. I am sure there is one going by the Walmark and back in time for your wrestling shows.

:rolleyes:

[Diane]

Naw, I’ll wait another 5 hours until I hurt ya.

[lezlers]

Whoa there Diane, did I run over your dog or something and not realize it? Hostile much?

Take some Midol and calm the fuck down.

Jesus.