Man, are you ever in for a shock when you reach the 35th level.
Uh, I mean, if there was one.
Uh, I mean, what’s a Freemanson? Never heard of them …
[hijack]Two cinnamons! I also have a pair of cinnamon girls. I noticed the turned around litter pan. I anchor mine to the cage with small c-clamps to prevent that (and tipping). I enjoyed watching mine try to move a hammer that hadn’t found its way back into the tool box. My girls also like to read. They knock books off the shelf and open them up all the time. Surprisingly, they don’t shred them. Definitely a case that ferrets are smarter than Sent and the recently banned.
Cite?
Hey, you leave the lizard men out of this. They just want some mealworms.
[hello jack] That’s a very good idea. We’ve tried various methods of fastening it to the cage wall, but they always undo them. Part of why my nickname for them is destructavores. They prefer to play in the litter pan than use it for its intended function. Indeed, when they were using one corner of the cage as their toilet and we placed the litter pan into that corner, they just started using another corner.
Pickle, the girl ferret, has been known to lug empty five gallon water jugs across the house. That and she terrorizes the cat. It’s funny to see a cat that’s a dozen times her size running and leaping in terror as she chases him around, hissing at him.
I wasn’t aware that was even up for debate 
Yeah, but it’s the supersonic aluminum Nazi hellcreatures from the hollow earth that we really have to worry about.
Those… and the lurkers. But without the protection of the brave souls at a website like prisonplanet.com I dare not speak about them. Them!!!
Awwww shucks ma’am, tweren’t nuthin.
You discredit something, even before you have seen it. That is circular, closed-minded thinking. I’m not talking about aliens or tin hats or ghosts or anything of that nature, I’m talking about the physical reality we are all familiar with. Can you please stop it with the childish insults? Not once have I insulted anyone of you in this way. Learn some respect. No, I am not in any way affiliated with the makers of that video. Spend the best $20 of your life and buy it, and get a VHS player to watch it if you don’t have one. You don’t have to be a conspiracy theorist…it’s the news footage that I’m talking about, not an explanation of engineering, etc. Popular Mechanics isn’t going to help you debunk your own good sense when you see it, if you do have the ability to think critically.
What showed me what didn’t happen in OKC was not somebody’s theorizing or clever editing but the local news clips. There is too much detailed reporting in that footage during and after the collapse describing these bombs to have been an “initial report in error”. An example of an initial report that can turn out to be wrong is when we hear “there may be a bomb in the building” or even “a bomb was found”. Those kind of reports can be based on inaccurate information or panic. The kinds of reports I saw could not have been based on anything other than actual bombs, as anyone with the crtical thinking skills you claim to posess would be able to see upon observing this footage.
We have confirmation from officials at all levels that these devices were found, even later on, and explanations as to their being diffused and their relative size. There were multiple devices recovered. There is also extensive evidence of other individuals who were with Timothy McVeigh, which you can confirm by researching the legal records of people who were stonewalled by the Justice department when they tried to pursue this. It will be up to you to decide for yourself, but I know I had never before seen this footage in the mainstream media although it was highly relevant. No mention of this is made in any historical account I’ve seen, and in any case you need to see the footage for yourself before making a decision.
Now if you are destitute and you don’t have $20, you can find some of this same footage in a conspiracy film by Alex Jones called 911: The Road to Tyranny. Again, try to be a little more open minded here. You can ignore Alex Jones commentary if you like, just move the slider to about 18:55 this video, and watch the footage interspersed until about 42:50 or so. The local news people were actually doing genuine investigative journalism. The recollection of eyewitnesses corroborated with the people who saw the now-classifed surveillance tapes, indicating that the official story is basically a lie.
There’s a lot more information in the video I linked you to.
Using EmmulateReality;
Sent, I’m sorry that you’re hearing this on the internet and not on the lap of someone you love.
Sometimes bad things happen. That is the way of the world. You know that [Belief_System(rnd(0 to 5)]. And keeping that in mind helps us deal with hardships.
Declare Namespace EmmulateReality;
Declare array Belief_System(5);
Belief_System(0)=when man sinned against God, he brought down on himself
a curse that affects us even today. We will continue to have conflict in this
fallen world until the Lord returns and makes everything right;
Belief_System(1)=the same way the animal kingdom is defined by which
species (or member of species) can dominate in order to preserve its
existence, man has evolved to the point that our territorial skirmishes now
go far beyond gorillas brashly displaying their strength or a couple of
bears standing up and eyeing each other;
Belief_System(2)=in the immortal struggle between good and evil, we are
but pawns in the game. Yet even as a pawn is a minor piece, a skilled
player can use it to assert dominance;
Belief_System(3)=there is no good or evil. What is is what is. Once you
accept it and forsake all desires, then you will have true peace and
enlightenment;
Belief_System(4)=it's the end of the world as we know it,
it's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fiiiiiiiiinne;
Belief_System(5)=when the mothership returns with the rest of the
colonists, we can rid this planet of these stinking humans;
End EmmulateReality;
I need a ruling on whether “Hi Opal” is the third iteration in a list or if it is list(3). I didn’t know where to put it on a zero based array.
No. As long as you continue with this inanity (and trust me and the others - it is not genius), we will continue to point fingers and laugh. If you do this outside of the web, rest assured that is what will happen (unless you limit your audience to fellow conspiracy nutjobs). Your evidence is about as strong as the evidence for the Loch Ness monster and unicorns. Holding your breath and turning purple because people don’t believe you isn’t going to change anyone’s mind.
It doesn’t matter which belief system you insert. I will not ignore evidence that I was wrong in my evaluations of the world so that I may be comforted in a delusion. Think outside your box, question your most fundamental assumptions.
Could it be that you are again wrong in your assumptions?
You cannot be objective unless you are willing to be laughed at by your peers.
Of course. How can one know anything with 100% certainty? We don’t way until we know 100% in order to act. Nothing would ever get done if that were the case.
Do you acknowledge that yours could be wrong as well? That I why when people commence with insults it gives me the impression they believe that they cannot possibly be mistaken, a belief that is at odds with science.
If your peers, and I mean all the other crazy bastards that believe the shit you do, are laughing at you then you’re probably wrong.
Well not probably, totally.
Preach it, Martyr Prophet Crazy Geniusman!
You have insulted everybody here with your idiotic spewings, as well as suggesting that a failure to believe insane and unsupported allegations ammounts to a lack of critical thinking. You’re a slimey, self-righteous, and arrogant fucker.
Not for you, spunky.
Respect is earned, not given.
And you sure as fuck aint earned it.
Again this level of obnoxious arrogance from a brainstem level wordsponge. Popular mechanics reported on the findings of FaAA, an unimpeachable expert organization who examined the building and found that there were no explosives inside the building.
Or was FaAA part of THEM, too? Otherwise all you have is a bunch of news folk who were overly hot for a story who reported something too quickly.
Jeez, you babble on about critical thinking, but how do you explain away the contradictions in your little paranoid terror-trip?
The initial reporters knew The Truth [sup]tm[/sup] and reported it, you even claim that there is confirmation from officials at ‘all levels’ of these multiple bombs. And yet, all of a sudden, the reporting of these “bombs” stops. Why? Did THEY get to them? Tickle their feet until they stopped reporting on the story?
Which is more likely, you blabbering loon? That the initial news reports, no matter how detailed, were wrong, or that everybody involved who knew The Truth[sup]tm[/sup] was silenced by THEM. Except, of course, for Alex Jones. :dubious:
And you still have to explain why FaAA, an expert organization, was somehow blind to the reality of these “bombs”. Did THEY get ot them, too?
But, no, you’re the one with critical thinking skills, though you’ve evidently never heard of Occam’s Razor. You’re the insane genius who knows The Truth[sup]tm[/sup] and will tell us, in your best Jack Nicholson voice, that we just can’t handle the truth… unless we swallow what you say without a shred of critical thinking or doubt.
Never insulted anybody? Your very presence here is an insult. We’re here to fight ignorance, not spread it.
Good gods you must be terrorized of the world you live in. Are THEY under your bed, too?
Yeah, could not have. Absolutely could not. :rolleyes:
Why don’t you quote these things to us, spunky?
But… if the media says it, it must be true. No… wait, if the media says it, it must be false. No… that can’t work either… Okay, if the wacked-out-of-his-gourd-conspiracy-loon wants to believe it’s true in order to think that the world is a mean and scary place, he’ll believe it, but if it doesn’t fit his insanity, then he won’t believe it.
Ahhh. a workable hypothesis.
Or as any Insane Genius would be able to quote, you quaterwit. All you keep doing is babbling about this evidence: put up or shut up. (God, I’m glad that we’re doing this in the Pit so I don’t have to pretend that you deserve civility.)
Quotes. Names. Positions in law enforcement.
And what, exactly, happened to them? The LEO’s who recovered them just happened to, what, all be liars? All be in The Conspiracy? Everybody LEO who saw a report on these “devices” which were recovered just happened to get zapped by a Men in Black mind eraser and forgot all about it? Not one of them thought to contact CNN when ~gasp~ ~shock~ ~horror~ THEY began to manipulate the media with their false indictment of the honest and honorable Timothy McVeigh?
Or did he really do it, but he was just the patsy for THEM? Maybe the Bavian Illuminati had infiltrated THEM but was in turn being tricked by the Satanic British Royals in concert with the Elders of Zion?
Does this even make sense to you? We can confirm that people were with McVeigh… based on records of people who didn’t get answers from the Justice Department?
Can you provide a cite for any of this lunacy?
So, arrogant munchkin boy, just why do you think that was? Using your ol’ critical thinking skills, Genius Crazyperson. Is every major news source, down to the last reporter, in the grip of THEM… or were the initial reports wrong?
Ever hear the one about the guy who was so open-minded his brains fell out through his ears when he went to sleep?
All this conspiracy shit raises an interesting question. Is there any possible evidence that could, if it existed, prove to us that Sent’s theories are in fact correct? I tend to think that whatever he argues and whatever he may link to would be insuficient to change the minds of anyone here? I for one can’t think of anything that would persuade me that a conspiracy as described by sent, is responsible for 9/11.
I am not saying that I could not be convinced, just that nothing he could say or do on the internet could convince me of the validity of his arguement.
What say my fellow Dopers? Is there anything Sent could do to change your minds?
Good gods… and I thought I was joking!
From the video:
An Illuminati group. A known Illuminati group. Oh noes!
Boy howdy, someone better let Hagbard Celine in on this, THEY might be trying to Immanentize the Eschaton!
You know Sent I asked this in the other thread, but maybe I will get an answer here:
What, if any, other CT’s do you subscribe to? I dont ask as a way to insult or torment you. I really want to know where you “draw the line” in government conspiracies. Doing a little research you can find a CT for every major event in American history for the past 100years. Has the government been decieving us all these years? Are well sheep? Where is this heading in your opinion? And why do “they” even need to do these things? Last I checked the govt. pretty much runs everything already…and those in power, have power…how much more do they want?
Help me out here.
Dick.
What exactly are his “theories” (I think you mean untestable and irrational hypotheses)? Is his hypothesis that there exist a conspiracy so powerful that it controls all of the media we see and hear, that all of the LEO’s who participated in the investigation, that all of the employees of FaAA, that all the reporters in the nation, that all of the wives, girlfriends, boyfriends, husbands, friends, children, of all of the people involved in the investigation, that all of them were either liars, part of The Conspiracy, or Illuminati agents?
There’d need to be a hell of a lot of evidence for that. I’m not even sure where someone would begin, it’s like VALIS in its sheer ability to disguise itself. If someone believes in a conspiracy so powerful that they’re able to maniuplate virtually all of the information and people involved, then the Gods themselves contend in vain with such “logic”.
Any counter evidence, like the FaAA analysis, is handwaved away. Any debunked evidence is touted as “Illuminati Supressed”.
It’s like arguing with someone who’s already decided upon a conclusion, and then looks for data to justify the conclusion, and excludes/ignores any facts that don’t fit their model.
Well, as virtually every conspiracy in the history of human civilization has been unmasked, I’d want, at a bare minimum, to see a defector from the coterie. Heck, even Weishaupt and his bunch went down. I’m supposed to believe in a perfect, and all-powerful conspiracy that can even cover up all traces of itself?
I feel like we’re in the novel Illuminatus! here.
A link to a CNN (or whatever) story about a high ranking agent in this “conspiracy” who had blown the whistle would be a good place to start. Or if FaAA annnounced that they’d been wrong, and that there were explosives inside the building. Perhaps a few others things…