You realize of course this was strictly to overturn Dred Scott?
So?
The guarantee is so black kids could go to the school to. It doesn’t interpret that ALL kids shall go to school.
Yes it does.
Umm, no, teachers in public schools do no such thing. Not even close. Where does this naive, public-schools-can-do-no-wrong attitude come from. Are people not aware of basic facts about how badly American’s public schools are failing?
The links above show that millions of children in America are not getting a proper education from their public schools. Would you agree that according to your own reasoning, these children’s rights are being violated? Would you agree that the tens of thousands of public schools that are failing by the government’s own standards should be closed down, and the children given access to voucher programs that have a proven record of high achievement for poor children? Or does the “right” that you just dreamed up exist only to forcibly remove kids from their parents, and not apply once kids are shoved into lousy, unsafe public schools?
That makes no sense at all. Just wanting to teach a subject doesn’t qualify you to do so.
which is why i wouldn’t say that all school-schooled kids, pretty much by definition, have parents who are very involved in their children’s education, either.
how you choose to educate your child says nothing about the level of involvement you have in said education.
How does it not? I know if I had the want to teach my child chemistry that I’d have a basic (or get) knowledge in order to do so.
Are you of the mind that the expert teachers don’t utilize the text books provided them by the state? Most parents I know (if they identity a subject out of their league) will get help.
You really think if you want to do something bad enough, the capacity will just materialize in your brain?
Or maybe you can only, truly “want” to do something if you’re fully capable of doing it.
:rolleyes:
But a parent has the right to control the type and nature of the education. A parent can choose to send their child to private school, or to home school.
But as I noted in post #24 (where I linked to a detailed analysis of several studies of homeschoolers’ performance), the available data are extremely unreliable because the participants in studies of homeschooling are self-selected.
Public school standardized test results are based on testing of all students; we can’t meaningfully compare those results with the performance of a small number of self-selected homeschooled students.
I agree with you that if the state wants to impose curricular or structural requirements on homeschooling practices, it should be up to the state to show that such requirements are needed because the homeschoolers are underperforming. However, in order to tell whether or not homeschoolers are underperforming, we need to obtain reliable data about the performance of homeschoolers as a whole.
So, how are we going to get that data? Either homeschooling proponents have to get together and figure out a way to produce statistically reliable tests of the performance of homeschooled students across the board, or the state has to step in and require mandatory assessment testing of all homeschooled students, the way it does for public school students.
Absent either of those strategies, we can’t make any meaningful claims about whether homeschooling in general works well or not compared to other types of schooling, because we simply have no way to tell.
Yes. If I want to learn something I can. Is that not the gist of the educational system?
We don’t. As long as the school is ALSO permitted to teach the Intelligent Design nonsense, or even the "God spake, and breathed life into clay,’ as literal fact.
And where does "And Tango Makes Three,’ fit? Here we have a teaching that directly contradicts (presumably) some religious truth, AND is not objectively verifiable like evolution is.
Are you of the mind that going through the text books is all expert teachers do to prepare?
Who taught you health in school? Mine was a coach. What specialized training do you think he had to perform teaching abilities? My chemistry teacher was the same coach.
Even if we had such data, you would reject it. You would argue that the homeschool students are themselves self-selected – not the homeschool students reported on, but the entire group of students that are homeschooled are tilted towards higher performance than the average schooled child.
That survey was done in Britain, and is irrelevant to the question of whether home-schooling works in the USA. There are vast differences between the two countries, starting with the fact that Britain has decent public schools while the United States does not. All of the studies done in the United States suggest that home-schooled children fare better in numerous categories. If anyone objects to those studies because of their sampling method or anything else, they’re free to offer better studies, but until then I’ll stick with the best sources we have.
Some of us would like a better education for our children than that, I guess.
Yes, and public school is no guarantee of that. Which is why my child attends private school.
Which brings me back to my original point. If educating your child is the prominent thing, aren’t you going to do everything you can to ensure that it is done better than it was for you?
If the want is there, you as a parent, can certainly do a better job teaching your children than the State could.