The staff, alone, is enough, given that they can’t choose to just walk away.
Anxiety relief. I heard it was good for that and started. I like the taste too, but I wouldn’t continue if it didn’t have a moderate medicinal effect.
Sure they can, they just won’t get paid anymore by that particular employer.
Yeah, because people with families to support and bills to pay can just walk away from a job any time they like, because the Money Fairies will flutter down and sprinkle cash on them.
Myself and most of my friends are non-smokers. Up until recently smoking was allowed in bars here. Often, when tying to determine where to go, someone would say “not there, too much smoke.” We wanted to go out, all of the bars had smoke, so it was a matter of avoiding the worst places. Just because people are willing to put up with it to be able to socialize doesn’t mean it doesn’t bother them.
I’m glad to be able to go to restaurants and not have to smell (and have my allergies act up because of) cigarette smoke. But, in retrospect, I think I would have rather they did it by creating enclosed smoking rooms with separate ventilation systems. I think smokers should be allowed to smoke outdoors- just move upwind of them!
The anti-smokers increasingly annoy me. Yes, there is no “need” to smoke- there’s no need to drink alcohol, eat cheeseburgers, wear blue clothes, or lots of other things, either. That doesn’t mean you’re a better person for not doing those things, or that they should be illegal. And just because you don’t like the smell of cigarette smoke, that doesn’t mean that no one does and that no one smokes for any reason other than being addicted.
So does burning poison ivy.
It’s not the employer’s problem if circumstances are such that the employee needs that job to satisfy monetary obligations.
On a moral level it is. Or are you saying that a good capitalist should take that situation to abuse and exploit his employees relentlessly ? Like, say, demanding an asthmatic work in a smoke filled room until it kills her, all the time saying “it’s not my fault; it’s not my responsibility”.
Employer does not equal owner.
If the employee is asthmatic, it’s not the employer’s fault that she chose to work in a smoke-filled environment. The employer only has the right to demand that if the employee wishes to be paid, she will do the work asked of her. He’s not forcing her to stay there.
Indeed; that’s why the employee has the option of seeking work elsewhere.
Garbage. If there are no other options, it’s no different than pointing a gun at their forehead.
And if none is available ?
Sure it is.
It’s not the responsibility of the employer if the employee can’t be arsed to find another job, even if it’s not in the same area of work.
This sounds like something 19th and early 20th century employers might have said in response to regulatory proposals. It has not been acceptable for many years.
Example: federal standards have been promulgated to protect coal miners from respiratory dust hazards. Cite.
Similarly, the textile industry has standards in place to limit exposures to hazardous dusts.
It thus makes perfect sense to have government regulations protecting bar and restaurant workers from toxins in the air they breathe.
No one who wants to be taken seriously would suggest that coal miners don’t have the right to safe working conditions since they can just find other jobs. Telling bar and restaurant workers that they can mosey on down the road if they don’t like their working conditions is similarly ridiculous and unacceptable.
“Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?”
I’ll repeat my own post (#87 from this thread).
:rolleyes:
Right on.
So we give the staff respirators, problem solved?
How does this story work exactly? “Hey there charming, the air in this library is way too clean, whatsay we go someplace more smoky?” “Uh, sure.”
And I’m saying that’s a crappy proof. Anecdotal, illogical, and whatnot.
I suppose, although I doubt many smokers would want to patronize such a place.
Good, so no ban on smoking in bars and such?
As long as non smokers are protected; that’s what I care about.