Today marks the 20th anniversary of the release of LOTR: FOTR. Some reminiscing

I know a lot of you didn’t care for these movies, or that they’ve become lessened as time progresses, but they were extremely important to my (ex) family in so many ways that I wanted to mention it here.

LOTR… the films, of course… are simply the greatest artistic experience of my child’s life. No doubt about it. The LOTR movies impacted her in ways only her mother and I could see, ways in which we used to direct her moral development.

For her, it was first shown on TNT, the only channel I would allow my 5yo to have been exposed to this film at such a young age. The commercials were relentless and unavoidable, by the promised night she was bouncing off the walls with anticipation. TNT was rather notorious for editing for content, so I knew beforehand a lot of the gore and killings would be edited out.

I still don’t know if it was appropriate for a 5 year-old (probably not), but there it is. A parenting decision was made.

Pizza was ordered. Our dogs, Mackie and Shelby annoying each other, the older basset hound just wanting to lie on the heating vent while the baby Scottish terrier was eating her food.

Sophia was absolutely entranced.

She stared at the screen, constantly engaging with us about the movie, and just did not want it to end, her mother having to make sure she went to the bathroom during the commercials. And, fortunately for Sophia, it didn’t end because it was 2006, it was the weekend, and in the post 9/11 era, TNT just put their movies on repeat for the entire weekend seemingly, so Fellowship started again as soon as it was ending. WHILE it was ending, lol.

To be fair, I do not recall if all three movies were shown that weekend or if Sophia had to wait to see them or what, but for this tale’s purposes, it doesn’t matter. She had bought in, hard. Watched, rewatched, rerewatched, probably the first true fandom of her life, the first one where she wanted to know more, More, MORE.

Her mother and I discussed this, but we were never parents for whom censorship was an option. Our discussions were more along the lines of ‘how do we best frame this for Sophia’s benefit?’ Because even in how we approached entertainment, we were always on the job as parents.

And so, in talking to her about LOTR over the years, we highlighted those aspects of the story which we wanted to take root in how Sophia would face the world:

  • The characters are people with a purpose. Watching it, you can feel the weight of responsibility in every frame, on every shoulder.
  • The characters took things seriously. They knew when it was time for fun, but they knew when it was time for determination and grit. And most of the movies were determination and grit. As life is.
    • Also, as she got older, we discussed how the actors and creators took this seriously as well. They did not play this story for camp, they are not joking, they, too, were bought in to this vision of the story.
  • The characters set out to achieve a shared goal, one which would benefit none specifically, but all generally: nobody was going to get rich, but their way of life would continue. Kind of like the COVID situation, right?
  • The characters worked to achieve their goals. None of what they did was easy. All of it required sacrifice and effort. All of it!
  • There was a sense of nobility in how many of the characters approached each other and how they approached life. Even enemies showed respect.
  • Lastly: none of the characters lost their individuality within a noble, shared-goals framework. They could still be themselves while achieving larger goals which benefitted all.

Over-and-over she watched these films, first on TNT, then on the expanded edition DVDs – what, 13 hours-worth of movie end to end on those? – soaking in these messages and more. For years. Decades. Sometimes we had long discussions about this. Sometimes I would make a comment. Sometimes her mother would say something. Constantly reinforcing the message – work, discipline, purpose, nobility, goals (shared and otherwise).

Frodo. Legolas. Gandalf. Even Sauramon, all of them working for their vision of the world with a sense of purpose and dignity rarely seen today. Why would I not want my 7 year old to imbue herself with these messages?

Our last Father’s Day together was a marathon LOTR session, starting at 8am and lasting until 1 in the morning… and I appreciated her patience when I tapped out at 9:30pm, lol.

Where most people saw a sword and sorcery epic, where fewer saw a truly literate tale of sacrifice, her mother and I saw in the LOTR movies a moral codex, a vessel by which to teach Sophia the values and expressions of behavior which are important to not just her mother and father, but towards conducting a civilized, adult life in modern society.

And, if you know me well enough, you know this worked. She is just starting her life’s Fellowship journey, spending time in America’s Rivendell, gathering friends, money, knowledge, and experience. Over time, she will have her setbacks, she will achieve greatness, and Sophia will do it with the sense of purpose, nobility, and dedication those little hobbits placed in her five-year-old heart.

:hearts:

Anyway, lol, I don’t expect any of you to have had the same experience - Laura and I were very intentional as parents, probably beyond normal, who knows? (No, it was beyond normal.)

But these are awesome movies, they meant (and mean) a lot to people to whom I love, and I wanted to honor the films with a little dedication.

What are your thoughts?

I became a Tolkien fan in 1977, at age 12, when the animated version of The Hobbit appeared on TV; later that year, my parents gave me a boxed set of The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings for Christmas. (Between discovering Tolkien that year, and the fact that Star Wars came out that summer, 1977 is a pretty seminal year in my life as a nerd. :smiley: )

I still re-read the books (as well as The Silmarillion) every few years, and they are still my favorite novels.

I was incredibly excited for the film versions, and I found that they didn’t disappoint. My wife and I saw FotR in the theater on opening weekend, and I think that I went to see it twice more over the next few weeks.

Even when Jackson made changes to the story, they (at least to me) made sense, and were consistent with the tone of the original stories. There were so many instances in FotR (and the other two movies, too), where I thought to myself, “That is exactly how I always pictured that place/that scene.”

The other thing that is very firmly lodged in my head about FotR is an exchange between Frodo and Gandalf, while they are in Moria. The movie came out three months after 9/11, and the world suddenly felt like a scarier, uglier place; the following felt like it rekindled a bit of hope in my heart:

That was very well-written, Kenobi. Thank you.

At the time, I was writing firmware for a tiny little company that developed Digital Video Recorders for the big cable companies. Inside, there was a lab with about a half dozen very large screen TVs playing movies constantly and, since the only files we had were LOTR and some horrible Korean version of Teletubbies, we watched FOTR over and over and over, day after day after day for months. Normally, the sound was off and we would just occasionally glance at the screens to make sure it wasn’t frozen or blocking but I think it’s a testament to the quality of the filmography and design that even after months of repeated viewing, there were still times we’d stop and just watch the movies to enjoy a favorite scene. I’ll still watch it from time to time and annoy people by reciting the dialogue verbatim.

Perfect excuse to re-watch FOTR at least. It is the only movie I have seen in theater 3 times (the last time because there was a trailer for TTT attached to the end of it)
I’m OK with 95% of the changes made (my main complaint is the changes to Faramir)
I remember reading theonering.net daily if not more often than that leading up to and after FOTR.

Brian
whose name appears in the extended version credits (joined the fan club and that was a perk)

My 4th-grade teacher read The Hobbit to our class in 1958-59 over the course of several weeks, and at the age of 9 I was hooked for life. I had never been so engaged in a story. I tried to find the next part of the story, all I knew was the name Tolkien and Fellowship of the Ring (I had no idea about the length of that story). The school library did not have it, nor did the central school library repository from which one could request books. I don’t specifically remember looking in the public library but I’m sure I would have. I finally found them, in paperbacks at a book store, when I was in high school, and again I was re-hooked. I stayed up all hours reading them, to the annoyance of my parents. I taught about it one day in Senior English. A friend “borrowed” my set, intending to bind it into hard-cover, and destroyed it. Well, I had read it so many times it was pretty ragged anyway, and I let it go for a while. I eventually acquired a hard-bound set that I still have.

When the movie came out, I was over 50. I surprised myself by how deeply I wanted it to be a great rendition of that story, and it was (and still is). I don’t know that it has much affected my life in the real world, but somehow the need to do the right thing has stayed with me, more perhaps than I was taught by my parents (or perhaps not, perhaps this story just reinforced the same message that I had already gotten). I am immensely grateful to the makers of this film for the wonderful qualities that they gave it, and for the immensely creative ways they worked around the difficulties of making a commercial set of movies out of such a story. It was a milestone, and I love it.

In the 1960’s, my parents read ‘The Hobbit’ to me as a bedtime story (one chapter per night.) :heart_eyes:

In 1979 I read ‘The Lord of the Rings’ during the school holidays. I then wrote to Professor Tolkien - and got a typed, signed reply! :cool:

In 1978 I watched Ralph Baksi’s attempt at the Fellowship’. He was an enthusiast, but sadly didn’t have the necessary budget.

I thought Peter Jackson did the epic full justice - casting; scenery; costumes; music; special effects were all excellent.
Later a group of friends held a Tolkien weekend where we watched the Extended Edition all the way through (11.5 hours) pausing only for meals and short breaks.

I started roleplaying (Dungeons + Dragons) in 1979 - and am still playing these days. :wink:

I found the computer game ‘Lord of the Rings Online’ to be a wonderful adaptation and have been playing that continuously since 2010.

What a marvellous world.

I read things like the above and then think about Sophia who would only watch the extended editions, taking over the living room for weekends at a time. For years she did this. Any of you with smart, obsessive kids know exactly what I mean, lol.

Same. I was (am) a big LOTR fan, and I was both excited and nervous about how the adaptation would be. There were so many ways that things could have gone wrong.

And they didn’t. Sure, there were a few things I would have done differently (Faramir being the main one for me too), but it comes down to opinion. Overall, Jackson knocked it out of the park.

Thank you to the OP and everyone else who posted; that was beautiful. I especially appreciated the list of bullet points. I think J.R.R. Tolkien would be pleased.

Speaking of which, I often wonder what Professor Tolkien would have thought of the films if he had been alive to see them. Knowing how picky and perfectionistic he was, I doubt he would have been completely satisfied, but I hope would have gotten a substantial amount of joy and satisfaction at seeing his world brought to life with such loving care and skill.

I re-watched the extended edition over two nights. One thing I noticed is that “Gondorian Archivist” was in the credits, but not Bill Ferny (they could have IDed of of the folks in the PP as Bill)
Overall it still holds up – and I don’t think effects have gotten 20 years better (I know Gollum improves in the later movies) – though I guess the same effects are faster/cheaper (maybe not with the price of video cards these days)

Brian

I first read The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings back in 1970, and had re-read them 9especially LOTR) countless times since then, at least once a year. I’d even gone to see the Ralph Bakshi cartoon version several times. So I was ready for Jackson’s version, which appeared to be infinitely superior. I was not disappointed. I saw changes and tweaks he’d made, and approved.

What made it interesting is that I saw it with Pepper Mill, my wife. She had not read the trilogy or seen the Bakshi film, and was going in completely unaware of what the film would be about. It’s not that she didn’t care for fantasy and science fiction. Heck, we’d met at a WorldCon. she was an avid reader of the literature. All her friends were the same way. She had been very involved in a long D&D-style fantasy game that had run for years, filled with wizards and orcs and the like. How she could exist in that milieu and neve have read LOTR still boggles my mind, but that’s the case.

So I was interested in her reactions as she watched The Fellowship of the Ring unfold on the screen. there’s something about watching a movie with a newbie that infuses the experience with special attraction. it was a joy to watch her react to the revelations and twists. Especially fun was when the company was in the Mines of Moria, surrounded by orcs in the chamber filled with columns, and the orcs suddenly sense the presence of the Balrog and withdraw. Thumping is heard, and a distant reflected fireglow is seen down the corridor.

“What new devilry is this?” asks one of the company.
“Run,” says Pepper Mill, not loud or insistent. She’s played enough D&D to know what’s coming, even if she doesn’t know exactly what.
The Company stands in place, looking toward the approaching threat.
“Run,” Pepper Mill says, more insistent but still not excited or loud, clearly annoyed that the Fellowship isn’t doing the obvious thing.
“A Balrog!” cries Gandalf, and the Fellowship breaks into a run. Finally!

(I have to admit that I loved the Jackson film’s take on the Balrog. The Brothers Hildebrandt’s [painting wasn’t entirely satisfactory. The Bakshi film, which could’ve given us a great animated Balrog, limited only by the artist’s creativity, instead gave us an uninspired too-closely-rotoscoped rendering of a Man In A Balrog Suit, with droopy and unconvincing wings. The worst of all possible worlds. Jackson gave us a CGI Fire Demon, exploiting the advantages of the medium. The least Bakshi could’ve done was animate the wings.)

The balrog, like the train wreck at the beginning of “The Fugitive”, was one of those movie moments where I think to myself “the movie could stop right here, and I’ll feel like I got my money’s worth.”

I’ve had the original DVDs since they were first released. I’ve often thought of getting the Extended Editions on Blu-Ray. I see that HBO Max has both versions available for streaming. I wonder if I can talk my wife into watching the extended versions over the next few nights.

Warning: The Blu-ray version of Fellowship is terrible and was never fixed. They added a green tint over the entire movie and they never fixed it and released proper versions.

I still use my 2001 DVD of the Extended edition just for Fellowship. Two Towers and Return of the King look great on Blu-ray.

Note: My understanding is that the 4K discs have fixed Fellowship.

Watched it with my wife (now ex)…it was so cute how she left FOTR crying because “Gandalf died!!”…ohhhh…i kept his return a secret for the whole year!

Oh, alright. I’ll blow the dust off the box set and fire up the DVD player for the long weekend. It has been a while. The only complaint I have about the enterprise are all the damned Wilhelm screams. Did they really have to do that?

I used to work on the ShoWest conventions and I was there for the FotR announcement. This was the first time that any footage had been seen by folks not actually working on the film. The Paris Ballroom (at the Paris Hotel in Las Vegas) was packed. Each film distributor controlled their own production so the show was madness for about a week as we completely struck and re-hung the drapes, stage, trusses, lighting, audio and video/film projectors about every 4-6 hours to accommodate each new company).

The trailer they opened with was almost 10 minutes long. It was freaking incredible. From the moment there was something on the screen, the place went nuts and kept going nuts.

10 months later, when the film finally opened in theaters, it was at least as good as that trailer had made everyone think it would be.

Is it just me, or is this Tolkienese for “What fresh hell…”

I strongly recommend the Extended Edition on DVD.
Not only are the extra minutes of film worth seeing, but there are loads of extras.

Background details, use of models, locations, casting (including the Art Directors), interviews - all great fun.

I have fond memories of spending Christmas break 2002, 2003, and 2004 working my way through the commentaries, appendices, etc. on the DVDs.