Tom Cruise Scientology video, via Archive Guy

I watched the video. Then I went and watched about 5 hours of video specials about Scientology just to refresh my memory on the subject (I read Dianetics and though it made a lot of sense–I was seventeen). I consider myself fairly knowledgeable on the subject.

I have a few naggin questions:

Assuming that everything posited by Scientology is correct, It seems to me that the numbers don’t add up and even if they did the situation only gets worse for the planet as things get better for the individual.

Let’s say there are x number of Thetans that were dumped here originally by Xenu. If they all attached themselves to human hosts when they arrived, at what point does the amount of population increase of this planet exceed the number of thetans, thereby slowly diluting the number of Thetans per host and eventually making it possible that humans are ‘clear’ at birth, without the assistance of Scientology?

Why is clearing the planet so important if Thetans can reattach themselves to any number of other unclear hosts once ejected from the clear individual, thereby adding to their number of Thetans? Aren"t you just dumping your own problems off on other people? Doesn’t that fly in the face of what Scientology is supposed to be about?

Furthermore, isn’t all of this a moot point considering Xenu (or one of his successors) can simply come back and destroy us all with little or no opposition? I mean after all, look how far advanced his army was than us some 70 million years ago. What’s to stop his return and undoing everything that we are attempting to right?

How is it that they figure that Tom Cruise has brought LRH tech to more than a billion people? Did he put subliminal message in his movies or something?

Well, “x number” of Thetans is stated to be billions. How many billions is left up to the imagination of the reader, but considering Xenu did it to eliminate his surplus population, and the average population of a planet in his empire was “178 billion,” it would have to have been a huge figure in order to even make a dent in his overcrowding problem.

Since LRH passed on, who is the chief theologian of $cientology? It seems we have a serious problem with Thetans-they should have LONG ago been banished (to wherever thetans go). Ayway, since the “scriptures” of $cientology all came out of LRH’s demented brain, what have his successors done with the “tech”? Surely, they realize making John Travolta and Tom Cruise "clears’ hasn’t made them into geniuses?
So, I await word from you, before I go and take my “free” personality test!
By the way, does the COS still have open season on “Suppressive Persons”?

Something weird happened today. A male co-worker made a comment about Xenu so I asked him if he had watched the Tom Cruise video and he said “yeah” and started talking about how weird it was. Some other co-workers overheard us and we told them about it. Someone joked about joining (I know she wasn’t serious) and I told how you don’t even want to give those people your name and address and how they keep finding me after I has ordered an LRH sci-fi book many years ago. One co-worker (not the one who joked about joining) takes a break and checks her cell-phone and she has a message from the Church of Scientology saying how they had been trying to contact her but her information got put under someone else’s name. The call came in at about the same time we were talking about them. She freaked and now everyone thinks the Scientologists have me bugged.

Cruise is rumored to be the number 2 man in the church, and given that Travolta has adapted Battlefield Earth on to the screen (while totally missing the point of the book), one could make the claim that he’s continuing the theology. Heber Jentzsch is the current Nutter-in-Chief.

Looking at Tuckerfan’s link. Oh my, Neil Gaiman is a second generation Scientologist? That is not something I expected. And the son of a major big wig, too. A quick internet search indicates he probably has not been involved with them for at least 20 years, though, so I guess I can still enjoy his writing. I guess that would explain some of his rather warped perspective, though.

And much of Dark City.

I think it’s David Miscavige.

Xenu is contained within a forcefield powered by a forever battery in a mountain on a planet somewhere in the cosmos. And since he was a renegade, presumably the other advanced races don’t want to finish his dirty work.

Lots of juicy clamminess in both of their Wiki bios!

CMC +fnord!

You’re assuming, of course, that there aren’t Scientological equivilants to the “Rapture Christians” who think that its their moral obligation to speed up the end of the world. :eek:

There are efforts underway to correct that!

ALL HAIL XENU!

CMC +fnord!

Okay, I made myself a nice tinfoil hat and I’ve been reading a little of Operation Clambake. The mention that CoS is very litigious got me thinking, is there any way we could put CoS against Fred Phelps and visa versa?

Well, *I’ve * been trying to get Jack Chick to go after $cientology, but haven’t had any luck.

…and the palce where Krypton banished its criminals to-was it called “the forbidden zone”-or something like that? Did Hubbard steal all of this stuff from the Superman comics?

Something like that. LRH was a hack science fiction writer before he got into the religion biz. No doubt he cribbed ideas from anywhere he could find them.

We’ll just make some giant posters of speeding trains and cavemen eating raw drumsticks. That’ll stop 'em.

Well, don’t tell the Scienos, but Cloverfield is a documentary. That’s actually Xenu stomping around NYC.
[speaking of monsters, giant hijack here]
So, I can’t remember, was the whole saga of the fued Steven Spielberg and his wife Kate Capshaw had with Cruise posted here at the Dope? I read it in a few different places but I can’t remember if this was one of them. Anyone know any updates on that?

For those who don’t know what I’m talking about, apparently, Cruise is (allegedly, ok?) on a mission to destroy Spielberg and Capshaw’s marriage, which is, by all accounts, a very strong and healthy marriage, but Cruise has it in for Capshaw, who used to be a Scieno but got the hell out pretty quickly. Cruise has been trying to recruit Spielberg since the Minority Report days, with no luck. He worked extra hard on it during the filming of War of the Worlds, when he finally stepped over the line, and Capshaw got involved and Cruise threatened her. It’s a whole big gossipy mess, but most of it was witnessed by several different parties and they’re telling their stories incognito to a magazine in London.

For anyone who’s in the mood for some down and dirty gossip,read through this thread, but don’t click yet (if you were going to), because I need to explain some of it first because it’s a bit convoluted. That link goes to another message board, an anti-scientology board called Operation Clambake. The first post there has a tinyURL link that goes to a thread at a different message board, Gossip Rocks. Don’t click on that tinyURL link yet either until I explain.

Someone at Gossip Rocks has a friend in London, who got this magazine, and transcribed the Blind Items and sent them back to her to be posted. If you read the story at Gossip Rocks, you’ll go crazy, because it’s VERY hard to read, since no one is identified by name…that’s the point of a “Blind Item”…an identifying characteristic about the person is mentioned, then the juicy bit of gossip, and the reader has to figure out who it’s referring to. In this case, in the original Blind Item, Spielberg is identified as “Mr. Moviemaker,” Kate Capshaw is identified as “Mrs. Moviemaker,” and Tom Cruise is identified as “Mr. Moviestar” (with Katie Holmes identified as “Ms. Wannabe Mrs. Moviestar”).

It’s hell to read because your brain is constantly having to replace all the Blind IDs with real names, but there’s an easy solution. If you click on the link above to go to Operation Clambake, instead of clicking on the tinyURL in the first post to go to Gossip Rocks, go to the 2nd post. You’ll see that someone did a Search and Replace and replaced the Blind IDs with the names. It’s much much easier to read and you can breeze through the whole saga very quickly. Got that?

Is any of it true? I don’t know, but knowing a bit about the clams, and a bit about things that happened while Cruise was filming and promoting War of the Worlds, it all sounds very possible. When they were filming WotW, Cruise butted scieno in whereever he could. He even set up scieno tents on the sets. That was well-documented during filming. During the promotion of the movie, Tom was happily going bonkers. That was the time of smarting off to Matt Lauer (“you’re glib…you don’t know the history of psychiatry, I do”), and that was also the same timeframe Tom was going apeshit gaga over Katie, jumping up on Oprah’s couch and whatnot. It was gossiped then that Spielberg was getting increasingly annoyed at Cruise because instead of promoting War of the Worlds, Tom was using cameratime to promote scientology and his love for Katie.

That’s where the story begins…

For those who read it, happy reading! For those who don’t know or care what the fuck I’ve just been going on about, carry on. [/speaking of monsters, giant hijack here]

Campers, have you actually hung out with actors? Sure, they’re fun, as long as you don’t have to keep feeding them drinks, but, as a group and OBVIUOSLY leaving out such Dopers who also act, and who can probably support my generalization, they are, as a group, MORONS. Not only should you discount everything they say about ANYTHING, you should also ask them to pay for the next round up front.