My understanding is that insane is a legal determination and not a medical one. And “crazy” is a little vague and your statement too general to have much truth to it. Some mentally ill people can be excellent at debating. When you are mentally ill, that is not all that there is to you.
I suppose we can mince terminology… but I also think that you know the semantic value of the text I was using. Yes?
Are you really unclear on exactly what I was talking about? Really?
Would you prefer if I said “those who can’t tell a hawk from a handsaw, but are still violent and as inflammatory as possible?”
And some crazy people can’t debate because they are unable to provide proof for their claims beyond communion with spirits.
And when you (pl) can’t tell the difference between an argument supported by logic, and claiming supernatural justification for literary criticism? I’d say that the Dope isn’t the place for you.
We shouldn’t be forced to endure crap like that.
You understand correctly.
Thank you. Although you’re wrong-I actually do LOVE to argue. I relish it. BUT, that being said, I love the arguing part itself, not the end result. I don’t argue to win-I argue and debate to learn.
At any rate, I look at arguing with bad chad the way someone here once said of reading Ayn Rand to me: it’s like hitting yourself in the head with a brick. It feels better when you stop.
No, a lot of times he expressed his beliefs as facts. When discussing religion or matters of faith it was pretty rare of him to say “in my opinion,” and I did call him on it on more than one occasion. With your bias, I wouldn’t be surprised if you missed every example but I’d bet money that even if you noticed you wouldn’t have called him on it anyway, you know, being as you’re a hypocrite and all.
My statements are “stupid” now. Hmm, I guess we could add that to the list of unsupported statements you make about me. Perhaps, as a moderator you could help me out Tom and change this thread title to ”Not only is Tomndebb a hypocrite and a pussy, he also makes a lot of statements he can’t back up.” While were at it, what do you know about the size of my fists?
Are you referring to yourself? While you may claim you were not actually debating me, you made an effort to show that Jesus’ resurrection was not of the same kind of irrationality that YEC was. You dropped that rock pretty fast when challenged, so yeah, I count that a win.
And lets see, where are we on our list of questions you won’t answer and things you assert without backing up:
**I’m pretending to have a life? Please support that.
So you admit you are incorrect in saying I coyly hide my beliefs? Also it seems you think having no “system of Belief” is a bad thing. Why?
I should believe in things I don’t have evidence for? Wouldn’t that be kind of dumb?
Also I asked you to back up your assertion that my stance on free will is just a word game.
I’m taking your silence on the resurrection vs. 6 day, young earth creation as your admission I’m correct that you have no more reason to believe in one vs. the other.
And Voyager’s question.
But, given that his [Bible man’s] belief is in source material, how is that any different from your belief in the NT over the Koran, say?**
No, but you have stopped him from infecting others with his gibberish. From a tactical perspective, in the battle against superstition, that’s a win.
As for my trolling, I thought you were on record, in this thread, as saying I wasn’t one. I guess now that my criticisms have turned to you, with no change in my tactics that is only further evidence that you’re a hypocrite.
I never claimed nor implied otherwise.
He was out of Duke University. Are you claiming that he was never affiliated with Duke University or did paranormal research there? That sounds misleading at best, but, more likely, simply dishonest.
You are a stupid fuck, aren’t you? I already cited his book, where I recall seeing summaries of his research. As for quoting my entire paragraph in context, perhaps you should have quoted my following paragraphs in context to where I wrote:
Emphasis of my quote, mine.
I don’t believe psychic power exist, dipshit, and this would have been clear if you had read my original post and those following, on the matter.
As for it being over 24 hours, I must say, as much as you all claim I’m dirty, mean, and nasty, you sure do miss me when I’m gone. Anyway I have more than a few messages I still want to respond to, but I’ll have to get to them over the next few days as I am out of time for now, but you should be proud Contrapuntal. In tonight’s fight against ignorance you made it to 2nd on my list.
No, this counts as one of your lies.
I pointed out why the specific poor logic you employed was false. One may argue that both YEC and the resurrection are illogical, however, you claimed that they were illogical for the identical reasons. I merely pointed out that you engaged in an error because the circumstances, while providing a base for challenge in both cases, are different. You then did some hand-waving and tried to claim that they were still equivalent, but rather failed to prove your point. Having made my point, since your blustering failed to actually address the point I had made, I simply did not bother to continue to engage you in your error.
One more lie.
I have noted from the beginning that your posts are consistent with trolling, but that you generally stop short of crossing that line. I then noted, after you crowed about your “victories” in this thread that when you prance around and chant “I won” you appear to have crossed over that line. You have atttempted to attack me on previous occasions and I have not called you a troll. I still have not called you a troll. I only note that one specific activity in which you engage does appear to be trolling.
I will again note that my posting on religious matters has followed the same consistent approach for a number of years. Choosing to not change my style to make you happy only indciates that you have done nothing worthy of causing me to change my manner of posting. If, like a nine-year-old who blusters to his playgound buddies that he “challenged” an adult who “refused” to fight him, that makes you happy, far be it from me to deprive your joyless little life of whatever small comforts you can grasp.
Now you’re combining cowardice with condescension. You’re a grownup here? Please. “I won’t fight with you because I could beat you up, and everyone accepts that as true.” If this really were a playground, you’d have blood streaming out of your mouth, multiple contusions, a chipped tooth or two, and your pants would be stained with a rich chocolaty goodness.
But on the Internet, anyone can pose as a tough guy, on the SDMB, extraordinary claims about Christianity require extraordinarily vapid and unsupportable assertions, and Mods get away with repeatedly labelling people trolls whom even they admit are, when you come down to it, actually not trolls. Does “troll” now simply mean “a word Tom calls you when he’s mad at you”?
Good job, Tom–now you’ve spent every bit of the capital you’ve earned with me over the years, and are deeply in hock. I can’t see you ever earning back enough respect to get even again. Please consider resigning as a Mod and self-suspending for a month or two. This is getting brutal, and I doubt another Mod will step in and stop the beating you’re taking any time soon, so it might go on for quite a while.
Ooooh! You too?
Look, badchad opened this thread for the purpose of calling me names because I would not allow him to break the rules in GD. He has spent an inordinate amount of time lying about the way I have allegedly treated him and using a lot of little insulting tricks in an effort to get me to engage him in one of his little pissing contests. From my perspective, condescension is the appropriate response to the “boasts” of such a whiny little liar. (I suppose I could have simply ignored him (and I have ignored most of his silliness) but to the extent that he might deserve some response to his ravings, I have responded in language that conveys my opinion of him and his games.)
That you are upset that I will not get down and play his game by his rules bothers me not. Since you are already on record as demanding that I treat one set of posters differently than another set of posters (while rather hypocritically not insisting on reciprocal treatment by other Mods), and have, yourself, already launched multiple erroneous attacks on me in this thread, I am disinclined to pay a lot of attention to your views on this topic, as well. As to my “beating,” I haven’t noticed any blood or bruises–much as if I had been attacked by a little kid too angry to behave himself. I think I’ll survive.
And how is this different form badchad declaring himself the winner? Is it bad form only when he does it, or are you simply claiming the title of Champion Hypocrite here? If it’s presumptuous and foolish when he does it, then it’s equally so when you do it–or is that logic too rigorous for you to follow?
It doesn’t matter if Tom wins or loses… if he’s not playing the game.
You’re making a fool of… no, too late. You’ve made a bit of an ass of yourself, ruber. So it goes.
I have not wandered around the SDMB declaring that I have beaten badchad in some sort of philosophical game regarding his beliefs and dragging up all of my previous “victories” over other posters.
Instead, when he has tried to play the same silly game, here, for the express purpose of trying to lure me into his games, I have–in this Pit thread that he started, only–mocked him for his pretension. I have not even declared myself a “winner,” only pointed out the ways in which he has failed to lure me into his private war on spirituality. Seems fair to me.
It is different, you sputtering moron, because Tom’s statement was in direct response to your idiotic claim that Tom has been bested by badchad, while badchad’s crowing about victories was simply crowing to deflect attention from actual arguments and criticism.
Unless you only stopped him from talking to you.
“If it’s presumptuous and foolish when he does it, then it’s equally so when you do it–or is that logic too rigorous for you to follow?”
If you disapprove of an act, jackass, you disapprove of it. You don’t get to pull your disapproval out of your ass on convenient occasions, like when your tame Mod tries to score a cheap debating point.
Oh, It’s NOT a cheap debating point to declare yourself the winner? Then it’s okay that badchad did in the first place. Make up your fucking mnd, or borrow someone else’s.
Wow. You long ago convinced me that you are stupid, illogical, mean and foolish, but those last two posts are an achievement even for you. Are you trying to argue with yourself, now?
Answer the question, dumbo: are you a hypocrite or a liar?
I guess the answer is most likely “both,” but please pick your top choice.
You have no idea how it insults me to have my intelligence, coherence, or writing ability denigrated by the likes of you. No idea at all. None.
Nope, that’s wrong too. Keep trying.
Well, you hadn’t actually posed that question to me before, but since you’re so confused about whom you’re responding to that you are replying to your own posts, I’ll answer. At times in my life, I have lied and I’ve been hypocritical. Although I try to avoid both things, it wouldn’t surprise me too much if either or both happened again. So, both.
Now if you could calm down and try to read a few of the preceding posts, you might notice that you have: responded to me as though I were tomndebb, included a quote in a post that doesn’t appear to quote anything in the thread, and quoted and responded to your own post as though someone else had posted.
You have long since made of fool of yourself.
Have you stopped beating your wife yet?