From the threadConcerning “Why I hate Religion but Love Jesus” Video
Most of the charges tomndebb makes against me in that thread are things that he himself is doing…
So, people came into the thread to say that they had no interest in whether there was a difference
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And you are free to reject anyone else as a “True Christian” if you like. Just as I’m free to reject your judgment on it. There is also nothing illogical about saying “screw it. I don’t care about their personal interpretation. I’m not interested enough to give them a chance to bother me with their take on the bible’s meaning.”…
…I also came to reject it as useless nonsense. You’re free to keep following it, according to your interpretation, and I’m free to reject your judgment on the interpretation of others who also claim to be Christian. Nothing at all illogical about that. It’s just a shorthand way of saying “I’m not going to waste my time examining your (or anyone else’s) particular brand of nonsense”
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Fine, you choose ignorance. But coming into a thread to boast of your ignorance and comment that you have no interest in anything people are saying in the thread? Aside from being against the premise of the Straight Dope (Fighting Ignorance since 1973,) I would consider to be against the rules.
So, they are dismissing the entire premise of the OP, and I’m telling them straight out they’re choosing ignorance. Tomndebb decides to defend them by calling me dismissive of them. He defends himself thus:
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“Blunt” is merely a euphemism for “rude” and “harsh” is merely a euphemism for “insult.” Neither is likely to persuade others of one’s positions. I will also note that all of the quotes you mined regarding Jesus being rude were addressed to believers in the same faith in which he shared. Speaking in the same manner to people who do not share one’s beliefs is simply a “shortcut” to dismissing them instead of hearing them out.
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Various Christians are welcome to dispute whether others may or may not belong to the club, but to an outsider, there is no real point in getting into the middle of that dispute. Using “Christian” to identifiy those who claim to follow Christ is not merely a “shortcut,” but the only legitimate way to approach the issue.
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I have little issue with choosing to remain ignorant and STAYING OUT OF THE DEBATE. IF you don’t have an interest in it, STAY OUT OF IT. Like he said, “there is no real point in getting into the middle of that dispute.” So, does he stay out?
No, after calling me dismissive while he and his pals are doing the same thing, he accuses me of “poor logic.”
[QUOTE=tomndebb]
You are here witnessing for a belief that is not shared by anyone on this board, (or much of the world), using selected quotes and poor logic.
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He provides no examples and when asked?
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[QUOTE=ch4rl3s]
The claim of “poor logic” should be followed by an example of such.
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Go back and read the responses to your claims that deconstructed those claims. You are interested in discussing this stuff; I am not.
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He says he’s not interested in debating it. He was certainly interested in posting his opinion with out supplying an argument for it, though. He was certainly interested in making people think my arguments were false and had no logic to them. Repeatedly.
[QUOTE=tomndebb]
However, as a poster, I do not choose to engage you. Your poor logic and quote mining have already been pointed out by other posters, so it would be redundant of me to repeat them. On the other hand, you have demonstrated an inability or an unwillingness to actually consider those points raised against you and I know from long message board experience that a discussion with a poster who argues in the manner you choose will never come to a resolution.
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He won’t supply any arguments because he isn’t engaging, but has to point out that I am wrong, have “poor logic” and do not consider points raised against me. Though, he refuses to engage in a discussion, so he isn’t considering any points against his chosen belief.
Except, my “poor logic” and my position had been confirmed at every turn by those he claimed had pointed out my “poor logic.” He could not see that the point had already been won, and had to keep claiming I was wrong without being able to demonstrate his point. Just as previous critics had failed to demonstrate their point, and validated mine.
I don’t think he should have been there posting his opinion if he wasn’t willing to discuss it or supply arguments. What did he claim he was doing?
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[QUOTE=ch4rl3s]
So, what is your purpose? Are you here to discuss something? Or did you come in here to defend your side?
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I am here to be sure that you do not inciote the other posters to violate the rules when responding to your beliefs.
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“Oh, no… I’m not here to discuss it, I’m just moderating.” He defends his meaningless attacks by falling back on his official duties. He doesn’t have to supply any arguments, he isn’t in the debate, he’s just moderating. While the posts themselves seem to me to be either trolling or hi-jacking…
Oh, right. Then he accuses me of hi-jacking.
[QUOTE=tomndebb]
Then stop wasting your time hijacking this thread.
My opinion of your debating skills is not pertinent to this thread.
If you continue to keep harking back to the subject of your logic or your argumentation, you may wind up with a Warning for ignoring Moderator instructions.
If you continue to keep harking back to the subject of your logic or your argumentation while no one else even bothers to respond, I will close this thread.
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He knows that his opinions are not pertinent… But he kept posting them. He only seemed to decide that they weren’t pertinent when I pointed out that the position he supported and the logic he was championing failed to establish that position and verified mine. At which point he wants me to lay off defending myself against his charges.
He needs to make charges he doesn’t back up, and he needs those charges to go unchallenged. Because his charges and his opinions can’t withstand a challenge.