Toscanini's Role in Formalizing Symphonies and Operas - Article in The New Yorker

A link to the article is here: The Toscanini Wars | The New Yorker

Read this a couple of weeks ago and have been meaning to start a thread about it.

The article itself is fascinating. A brief biography woven in with discussion of the way that Toscanini’s approach was revered and then how his musical interpretations fell out of favor, along with vivid descriptions of his approach to the some famous pieces. Really cool for pretty much any music lover.

But what hit me between the eyes was this basic characterization of Toscanini:

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What comes through in Sachs’s long chronicle is the extent of Toscanini’s role, witting and unwitting, in transforming the way that classical music was produced and consumed in the twentieth century. In his seventy years as a performer, he moved opera, as Sachs says, from entertainment to culture. The nineteenth-century conductor—a necessary time beater, presiding over a mixed lot of players—by degrees metamorphosed, in the most talented examples, into a spiritual mentor and charismatic culture god. The mechanical reproduction of music, which became popular with such novelties as a foggy four-minute recording of Caruso singing “Celeste Aida,” from 1902, gave way to complete recordings of symphonies and operas transmitted through every available medium. We are now immersed: the entire recorded history of music lies open, much of it free, to any listener who has the curiosity to discover it.
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I didn’t realize that the “culturing up” of symphonic works was “necessary,” so recent, nor that it was embodied so strongly in one person. I am of course fully aware that many, many people and forces were at work, but given this thesis in this article, it was fascinating to read about.

It seems that Toscanini developed an approach to tightening up and structuring the interpretation of symphonic works, at a time when recordings were appearing that captured performances for posterity. His approach appears to focus on establish a “clear through line” in the work that made it easier for the players to latch onto and stay in form. Later orchestras have come to see this as heavy-handed, but if he was such an organizing force in Classical, it is easy to see how this approach paved the way - and recorded more easily for listeners to follow.

A Sunday morning ponder - if you know this stuff, please share if you’ve read the article and what you think about it and Toscanini’s place in Classical music.

Reported to mods to please correct the spelling of Toscanini in the OP Title because I am cultured and shit.

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Thanks for this. Rather similar to how Shakespeare evolved from something even a lot of rural, less-educated folks were familiar with (in the 1800s, say), but usually in hacked up, shortened forms of the plays. (I think I learned about this from one of John McWhorter’s books, as well as annotated Mark Twain). Then, there was less reverence for the works as high-art form requiring a charismatic, urban star to direct it.

Many conductors of Toscanini’s generation (and before) would pull the music around like taffy: slowing down, speeding up, slowing down again, adding crescendos and diminuendos that weren’t in the score. Toscanini put an end to all that. It’s incredible to think that, at the time, staying on tempo and doing exactly what the composer wrote were considered radical, exotic ideas.

That said, I don’t really care much for Toscanini’s performances. I remember buying his Beethoven 9th recording with the NBC Symphony after hearing great things about it. The performance seemed almost maniacally focused on GODDAMMIT DON’T BOTHER ME WITH NUANCE WE’RE GOING TO GET TO THE END OF THIS THING!!!

Toscanini was also famous for throwing screaming temper tantrums and verbally abusing musicians. There’s no way he’d get away with that shit today; he’d be told to take Prozac and get anger management counseling.

I’d recommend that anyone interested in Toscanini check out his collected letters. After reading that, I wondered how he managed to get any music stuff done, because he was evidently chasing and screwing women 24/7.

Well, he WAS Italian…

I first noticed the difference between early-20th-Century attitudes to the catchall “Classical” music and my contemporary times (1971+) when I was listening to a lot of Spike Jones and the City Slickers recordings. They parodied a LOT of classical music and opera and were staggeringly successful in their time. It’s tough to “get” parody and satire if you’re not at least somewhat familiar with the original works. The same with the old cartoons like Looney Tunes and Merrie Melodies and such. Not to mention “Fantasia”. What we consider high-brow music now was, at least in part, “pop” music back then.

Do you know the “Leonora Overture No. 4” written for a Hoffnung festival? If you’re familiar with Beethoven’s Leonora Overtures, especially No. 3, this savagely funny send-up is an absolute pip! As you note, the more you know about the original, the better the parody will be.

(Hurm: very, very low sound level. Hard to hear. Bummer.)

Hell, Gilbert & Sullivan counts as “classical music” these days. Strictly for the connoisseurs, no popular knowledge at all.

Fifty-sixty years ago, MAD Magazine was setting parody songs to the tune of “Three Little Maids from School” knowing that 12 year olds were familiar with the tune.

BTW, WordMan, you should know better by now how to phrase your thread titles. “Arturo Toscanini: Rock-Hard Baton Swinger for the Ages” would have brought you many more views and responses.

I may try to revive one of my pathetic Laura Nyro admiration threads with “Laura Wrote Classic Top Ten Pop Hits and Had Enormous Breasts.”

So true - I will do better next time!

JKellyMap - nice observation about Shakespeare. Makes sense.

In the original, unfilmed George S. Kaufman/Morrie Ryskind script for the Marx Brothers movie A Night at the Opera, we see ordinary middle-class and lower-class people flouting their tickets to the opera – at the time, the 1935 film was clearly implying, everybody went to and appreciated the opera – it wasn’t strictly the domain of the well-heeled upper class.

(Back in the 1970s they published a lot of film scripts in inexpensive paperback editions. The Viking edition of Night included the script as it was originally written, as well as the filmed version. There are a LOT of differences.)

Peter Schickele continues working (at 82!) entertaining with musical parody via his P. D. Q. Bach concerts and albums, beginning in the early 1970s. Whether he ever had audiences beyond the middle-and-upper-class and well-educated, though, I don’t know. I’d suspect not. Certainly some familiarity with classical works is necessary to get the musical jokes.

Today we still hear the classics mined for commercials and movie trailers, of course–often jarringly so.

At any rate, I’ll look forward to reading the New Yorker piece.

I think the first PDQ Bach comedy album came in in 1965 or '66.

Ever listen to Schickele’s serious compositions? He’s one talented old bastard.

Yeah, I think it makes sense that to deconstruct good music (into parody) you probably have to have the ability to construct good music yourself.

(I stand corrected on the timeline.)

No argument there. I meant that he goes beyond being a competent musical technician with a firm grasp of theory and history…his stuff is excellent!

I recommend String Quartet No. 1, “American Dreams.”

I checked out a part of that work–very nice! (Thanks.)