Total Recall discussion (spoilers)

I thought it was aggressively mediocre. The main problem is the same as a lot of action movies these days: they take themselves far too seriously. The original reveled in its own ridiculousness, and was a competent action movie on top of that. This was just a highly-stylized two hour chase/fight scene with the occasional pause for some awkward exposition.

It was mildly enjoyable, though.

They got the physics of the gravity train totally wrong.

ETA: Of course, the original got the physics of suffocating in the martian atmosphere wrong. But Arnold’s eyes popping out of his head is an all-time classic image. :slight_smile:

It was a complete waste of my time. And rehashing why that is so in this thread is just perpetuating said waste. So…

I was continually amazed by the inability of the government to actually shut anything down when chasing the heroes. You’d think an electromagnetic highway system would have a way to shut down the cars, and you’d think that if they’re in a building elevator system, they’d be able to stop the elevators. (and that latter scene just screamed GalaxyQuest to me)

Not only that but the over the top nature of the film only helped to fuel the central question, is this real or a wish fulfillment fantasy?

The original is one of my favorite sci fi films, it is the perfect balancing of fun and plot.

I went alone last night. I was curious.
1.) as I remarked about the original, it claims to be base on Philip K. Sick’s story “We can Remember you for it wholesale”, but they really do exhaust all of Dick’s material in the first twenty minutes or so. Thereafter, they steal stuff from other places, and I claim most of the original film is lifted without attribution from Robert Sheckley’s The Status Civilization (hero who’s had his memory wiped. Finds himself in dangerous situation, often has people with guns coming after him to kill him. City ghetto with deformed mutatnts. Some mutants can read minds. Hero finds out his lost memory and his worst enemy is – himself! And more) The end, with the oxygen-making machine, they stole from “A Princess of Mars”

2.) the new one tries to make things grittier and “more realistic” (so they replace a trip to Mars with a daily 17 minute commute through the center of the earth!!! Right!) Making Quaid’s everyday reality pretty griim is actually a good touch, because you really can understand someone wanting to leave this drab existence for a different one, unlike the original’s And I hate the poured concrete Brutal architecture, anyway, so it’s a great choice.

3.) I the original story (and, if you pay attention, in the scripts for both films) Rekall is selling memopries, but both films turn into virtua reality/dreamlike real-time fantasies. Well, I guess nobody’s pay for us to watch Schwartzeneggar or Farrel just remembering things. But then why not simply change the scripts to say that these are implanted dreams?

4.) The hero in Dick’s story was supposed to be an everyman nebbish. Someone suggested Woody Allen as a type for this (and it’s interesting to speculate what the film would’ve looked like in that case). But it changed when they got Schwarzeneggar. Still, Farrel is closere to Everyman. Incidentally, the hero of the story was named Quayle. They changed it because that was the Veep’s name when the film was made. They coulda changed it back.

5.) I thought the effects were pretty good, but there was a haze of unreality about it that told you it wasn’t real. Pepper Mill, watching scenes on TV, broke out with “That looks fake!”

6.) They really didn’t need that whole “commuting through the earth” thing, but they apparently kept it because it was SF cool, and becayuse it gave them te opportunity for that zero G battle scene. There is so much wrong with the whole idea that I am paralyzed by my wanting to say them all at once, and it’d bore you anyway. Suffice it to say that there are scads of reasons it wouldn’t work, and in the number of things they got wrong if you actually miraculously had it working. But just consider this – if you had a magical device that had a zero G portioon of the ride, even if you had people strapped down, would you have big open spaces that could become lethal falls if anyone got out? That’s like sticking a guillotine on the back of your roller coaster car on the grounds that nobody would ever be able to get out of their seats to use it anyway.

7.) Combining the Sharon Stone and the Michael Ironside roles in a single character is a good move, although it reduces the body count by one. we don’t really need both characters, and it gives us more Kate Beckinsale to see.

8.) The triple-breasted hooker, which reinforced the “deformed mutants” idea in the first flick, makes absolutely no sense here 9except in a weak way in that people get their bodies altered, but the whole “glowing phone in the hand” thing is foreshadowed by the “glowing tattoos” earlier. And the boobs thing doesn’t relate to anything else in the film. Still, I’m in favor of more topless three-boobed women in films, so i’m not going to complain too much.

In spite of all its flaws, I’d still give it a 5 or so out of 10. Not great, or particularly memorable, but it is still better than most of the crap that gets foisted on the movie-going public.

I found the film a tolerable action flick but in great need of more mind-screwing*, and I did not read the thread closely, so forgive me if others have already made this point:

The Fall does not go “through the center of the earth,” but rather along a chord through the mantle, admittedly close enough to the core apparently that they get a good light show. As pointed out above, Britain and Oz aren’t antipodes. There are several shots of a “you are here” type graphic that show this in the film.
*I was very much hoping for a post-credits scene where he opens his eyes back in Rekall and the whole thing has been the memories they just gave him of being a secret agent.

I know, but it’s really a trivial detail in terms of its plausibility – it STILL wouldn’t work, dewspite not going through the molten core.

And I knew ythis, but “through the center of the earth” is catchier and displays my scorn a lot better than beinf strictly accurate would have.

(Not to mention that his whole “antigravity” thing seems to be based on his idea of going throuigh the center. And don’t start with a discussion of the physics of that – because he’s already shown in the other scenes that the physics doesn’t follow reality. And you can’t blame it on being a dream because “The Fall” exists in Quaid’s “real” life)

I remember liking it in the theater, but when I got home there was an email from my phone telling me that I hated it.