Tourism in Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam: Help!

The SO and I are planning a brief trip down to one of these two places soon. We are in the market for mid-range hotels and accommodation. Not totally cheap and mangy (i.e., not backpacker-ish), but probably not five-star chic either. Money is indeed a fairly major concern.

I know there are tons of guidebooks and websites out there, but I’m really looking for personal experiences in this thread.

Does anyone have tips for either Laos or Cambodia regarding the following points?[ol]
[li]Places of interest[/li][li]Hotels[/li][li]Tourist traps[/li][/ol]
Anything else that you feel a clueless traveller ought to know about?

How soon is soon? My Godmother will get back from Camodia and Veitnam in a month. My brother was in Camodia and Laos (and most of the rest of SE Asia) 2 years ago.

Is his advice too old and hers too late? I’m sure both have/will have loads of tips.

CamBodia. CamBodia. CamBodia.

:o

Soon is end of June, if things go according to plan.

I’d be grateful for any tips your brother can give!

PS: Please add VIETNAM to the list of potential destinations. Don’t know how I missed that in my OP.

Cool he’s probably asleep right now but I will ask him tomorrow and post (email me if you want his email addy or messenger name, he spent about a year there (S.E Asia…Veitnam included :slight_smile: )

No problem.

Cambodia

  1. Places of interest

Angkor Wat and surrounds must be no.1 naturally. You’ll stay in Siem Reap. There are hotels there of every price range you might like. The Tomb Raider crew hung out at the Red Piano. Hire a guide US $5-10 per day plus driver plus tip. See the many and various temple sites.

The lake village near Siem Reap.

Artisans D’Angkor in Siem Reap: Training School where young people are trained as artisans and in trades, electricity, plumbing and so on. Necessary stuff. Tourist dollars spent there contribute to Cambodian wellbeing and education.

Phnom Penh on the Mekong tribituary.

The Eastern Mountains, although this is a little riskier.

  1. Hotels

All sorts, reasonable price ranges. Safe and Clean. Tip the staff, your dollar will go a long way in their lives.

3: Tourist traps

The entire tourist industry is something of a trap. Visa and vist charges are steeper than you might guess. Still reasonable in the grand scheme.

4: Other

US dollar is the currency for most things.

By and large it is very safe. Most tourist areas are landmine and bandit free.

Buy from the vendors at the sites. It is a poor country and it helps. Speak with them. You will see a lot of landmine victims. The tourist sites have contained sites where vendors can operate. You won’t be mobbed. Postcards, and small stuff.

Most tourist shops and areas have places where you can buy stuff made by landmine victims and orphans.

There is a squalid side to Cambodia’s tourist industry. Say no more.

Go in the cool times of the year, October to Feb. Even in November heatstroke can be a problem. Take a hat and towellette. Take water. Everywhere, everyday.

It is the most gorgeous most beautiful saddest place in the world. Expect to be different at the end of it.

I’ve only been to the Ankor complex and around Siem Reap. It is a pretty significant tourist destination, and you won’t be alone, but it’s definately worth it anyways. Hire a guide for the time you are there, make sure you get to some of the more remote temple complexes, especially Ta Prohm. Don’t be afraid to tell your guide that you want to stay somewhere longer than he/she has planned.

Bring lots and lots of film or memory cards, it’s a photographers delight. Get out early in the morning, before breakfast, and wander around Siem Reap. Sunrise and sunsets are amazing, the mid-day heat and humidity is as well.

Laos:

  1. Places of interest: Vientiane has some interesting temples, but every goddamn city in that part of the world has those. It’s not a particularly interesting place.

Luang Prabang: there’s some cool stuff to do on the river. Jet boats, trips to hidden caves, and, of course, interesting temples. I really liked this place.

I did not go to the Plain of Jars or the Bolaven Plateau, but my pals recommend both. They also warn about bandits in these areas.

  1. Hotels: I simply can’t remember the name of the hotels I stayed in, since I was there in 2000. Backbacker type places cost about a dollar or two a night in the hinterlands, about $10 in Vientiane. I’d guess a mid-range hotel would be about $15 to $25 per night, but outside of Vientaine, you’re unlikely to find many of these. Food is as cheap as can be: if you spend more than $10 per person per day, you must be really really fat.

  2. Tourist traps: I don’t think the place is developed enough for any tourist traps (I assume you mean this as in a place to avoid). I found Lao people quite honest and extremely friendly. I didn’t find much interest in taking foreigners for everything they can, with the exception of a few ripoff bars in Vientiane.

Warning!! Transportation is EXTREMELY crude in Laos. The trip between Luang Prabang and Vientiane took me roughly 8 hours on a TERRIBLE bus, but the total distance travelled was probably no more than 180 km. There are internal flights available to a handful of places, but if your time is limited, you may want to seriously consider passing Laos on this trip. That being said, I absolutely loved it there, and it is one of two countries I’d really like to go back to soon.

Oh yeah, and Beer Lao is the best in the region.

I went to Vietnam in early 03, I believe tourism has developed more since then, but even so, was still very easy to get around. I’ll give you some broad hints, if you’d like more information, feel free to ask or email me.

My friend and I organised everything ourselves, so no tour guides etc other than a 2 day trip down to Can Tho which was around US$20 IIRC, for all travel and accommodation etc.

We spent 5 days in Saigon, 2 down the Mekong Delta, 3 or so in Hoi An (fly to Danang, but don’t stop there, take taxi 45min south) could have spent longer, 3 days Hue (more than enough!), 5 in Hanoi - weather prevented us doing Highlands or Halong Bay, but apparently both well worth it.

Travel internally takes a long time - we had a month there and took some internal flights on Vietnam Air to save time - don’t bother buying these tickets until you get to Vietnam, much cheaper to buy from a local office, and absolutely no problems, just walk into any office (quite common on main streets). Lots of foreign pilots (ours seemed to all be British). Don’t eat the meal, it was the only time my friend got sick our entire time there.

Food is really cheap, and we ate well, most of the hotels put on some sort of breakfast, but if you want something very cheap (and can’t face soup first thing in the morning like me!) there are bakeries on a lot of the streets. Fantastic bread being sold on the streets as well, like 25c a roll etc. Careful as some meat products are placed in things that look like donuts, just be aware!

We tried to avoid standard backpacker areas in the main cities, finding it was a little more peaceful and (more importantly) less likely to be hassled on the street. We paid around US$20 a room or less per night, that’s middle of the road accommodation, includes TV, sometimes cable, airconditioning etc. Can get as low as around US$4-8 a night (but very basic), or much more pricy if you want lots of atmosphere or US style service.

So we stayed at:
Four Roses hotel Saigon - beautiful, basic English/French spoken, about 30-40 min walk from main centre of town
Cao Dai Hotel Hoi An - great colonial style hotel about 5 min walk from town. Lovely staff, arranged minibus for us from Hoi An to Hue, $4 each, takes 6 hours, not a nice drive! But all roads like that basically.
Can’t remember where we stayed in Hue or Hanoi (other than in Old Quarter), but both were pretty average, lots of choice so shop around.

I emailed hotels directly after finding details on the Internet, definately the cheapest way to book, going through a travel agent for both hotels and flights doubled the cost.

I never felt threatened at all, basically at 5’4" I was taller than most of the people there and people were also in almost every case very friendly. It was never very quiet, but we were sensible and didn’t walk around late or anything.

Know roughly how much things cost, people will see that you are a tourist and automatically quote a higher price - feel free to barter if you think they are having you on, but also remember that a $2 difference for you is nothing, but is a huge amount for a country where the average wage is $250 or less.

Learn a couple of phrases in Vietnamese - thank you, please, hello child/old man/old woman etc - worth it for both the ‘grease’ on the wheels, plus the pure delight on people’s faces when you do.

Get used to being looked at, and don’t take it personally.

The traffic is crazy. There are no road rules, and no chance for the traffic to stop to let you cross. You have to be zen-like, just start walking across the road, at a constant pace, and trust that they will miss you. Don’t try and dodge, you’ll only get hit!

I absoutely loved my time there, hope you can tell, and I think I will shut up now! But feel free to ask more if there is something specific you want to know.

Thank you, everybody! This is exactly the sort of stuff I’m looking for. (And if anyone can remember their hotel names, that’s an added plus.)

Keep the tips coming, please.

Beer Lao is the best in Asia, IMO.

A second on this. It won’t be out of your way when you go to Angkor, and it’s very interesting, especially if you’re wanting to see how the locals really live. There’s a hill you can climb and see all the way to Angkor on a clear day. Allow a whole day for this.

In Phnom Penh, you can go to the Killing Fields and to Tuol Sleng prison. Obviously, these are not cheery places; but then, little in Cambodia is. As Stevastopol said, it’s the sort of place that changes you. Makes believers doubt and makes atheists thank Jesus they weren’t born there.

I can answer literally everything about Vietnam, especially Hanoi, my hometown ;). Whatever questions you have, fire away.

May I email you, O kind soul? :slight_smile:

furt, ravenman: Beer Lao. Noted!

Absolutely. I will be waiting !

Err…you haven’t listed yours. Fire one to me and I’ll reply back. Thank you so much!

I didn’t notice I haven’t publiced my email. Sorry about that. I sent an email to you.

Excellent counseling Sevastopol, Ravenman.
One more question: How is the mines situation in Cambodia, Laos ? I’m an outdoorsman (botanically minded) and like to go off the beaten track.

Laos has the reputation of being the most heavily bombed country on earth. There is no feaking way that I’d ever step off a road or well-travelled path to do so much as go behind a tree to relieve myself.

When I was there, there was the beginning of a kind of “visit the hill tribes” tours that are so popular in Thailand. I wouldn’t have a problem on going on one of these to get off a beaten path a little bit, but simply walking out into the jungle – espeically in places like the Plain of Jars – is literally taking your life in your hands.

And aside from bombs and mines, there are still problems with bandits, and you can’t avoid this completely, but extra caution on where you go – such as wandering aimlessly in the Golden Triangle area where smuggling is a way of life – is advisable. Stick with tour guides, who are extremely cheap anyways, and I’m sure you can see all the flora you wish in a much safer manner.

The idea of going off the beaten track in Cambodia is absurd to the point of high comedy. It’s only in the past 5 years of so that major tourist areas have been landmine free.

Actually I just popped in to say, discuss the monarchy, if you are in Cambodia. Khmers/Cambodians are very nationalistic but not in a Hi-I’m-a-total-dweeb sort of way.

You should have seen the smiles break out when I mentioned the picture of Norodom Sihanouk on the lobby wall. There’s a new monarch, quite recently. Should be some conversation in that.

ps Sihanoukville: Tourist trap, not that I’ve been and it’s on the beach so maybe OK.