toward being a free man on the land

There is Roy Bates and the Principality of Sealand though.

A joy, another internet Freeman. All talk. No action. When they do get action they end up flat on their faces. They claim cases where the DA didn’t want to bother pressing charges as a huge victory while ending up in jail over a parking ticket is just something to mutter about.

Freeloaders on the land is what they are. You want out of our system? Get out. Off our roads. Off my sidewalk. Out of our townships. You don’t pay, you get the hell out.

To evade [a court] judgment, defendant wishes to set himself outside the structure of ordered liberty provided by the laws of this state and this nation. President George Washington once warned, “If the laws are to be trampled upon with impunity, and a minority (a small one too) is to dictate to the majority, there is an end put, at one stroke, to republican government.” Flexner, Washington: The Indispensable Man (Little, Brown and Co. 1969), at 316. It is hard to conceive of a minority smaller than one.

Defendant is a citizen of this state unless and until he establishes residency in another state, or in another country. He is a citizen of the United States unless and until he undertakes those steps provided under federal law for revocation of citizenship, and, incidentally, subjects himself to deportation. Sections 1229 and 1481, Title 8, U.S.Code; see, also, Afroyim v. Rusk (1967), 387 U.S. 253. Clearly, defendant wishes to have his cake of citizenship and eat it too. He wishes to live in this state, drive on its roads, walk on its paths, be protected by its Constitution, laws, courts and officers, and enjoy all of its rights and blessings, while shirking its responsibilities—including the responsibility to pay his lawful debts. This is repugnant to both the letter and spirit of the law, and this the court will not permit him to do.

From here: http://www.supremecourt.ohio.gov/rod/docs/pdf/98/2002/2002-Ohio-7444.pdf

** marcmcroy**, this didn’t get answered before, but why do you favor the common law? What makes this better and more democratic than statutory law?

Assuming that you do get hauled in for tax evasion or failure to pay a speeding ticket, how does your process work? What do you do when in front of a judge? In short, what are the mechanics of your argument? When do you raise your defense of joinder?

Look, it’s all very simple: you straighten your tie and announce your diplomatic immunity, just like any other credentialed ambassador from another land.

In this case, the land is The Land, and the ambassador is The Creator – and, yes, I penned those credentials myself; that’s why they call me “The Creator.”

There was a case here in Virginia where a plumber tried those arguments here to get out of taxes. This gives a nice summary of what the government’s position was. Here is the ultimate result.

I still can’t get past the premise:

Evil power brokers subject ignorant people to set of laws and legal framework, presumadely in order to exploit them to the maximum extant possible, but are foiled by the heroic every-man when he shakes his finger at them and states “I’m on to your nefarious schemes and methods! I don’t accept your authority over ME!”.

How am I supposed to believe that the evil dudes so easilly stimyed?

Do the Freeman of/on the Land expect some kind of popular uprising once this information becomes known (and embraced) by the citizenry (Marx’s class warfare)?

The ‘history’ of Freemen on the land is loaded with such examples. Failure after failure after failure. And yet they still all think their cargo-cult laywer antics will win it for them this time, surely.

More loathsome is that 99% of these people are just trying to weasel out of debt.

There may be exceptions, but every case I’ve seen so far, have seemed more “I’ve got mine, you can hang”. I doubt they sincerely care about anybody else, as long as they can continue freeloading.

I suppose the OP has made a few hand-wavy declarations this is in the best interest of other people, but his arguments have seemed more to get people to support his personal cause rather than to declare they should do the same.

Glenn Beck has a project, “Independence Park,” but, when you look closely, it turns out that Beck’s Libertopia is actually a going to be a monument to New Urbanism and communal lifestyle-micromanagement. (Whaddaya expect when you filter Ayn Rand through the mind of a Mormon?)

Well, that’s just it. FOTL don’t accept the legitimacy of democracy, that’s just the community/collective telling the invidual what to do, where do they get off. And statutes are a product of the democratic process, more or less.

But they seem to have the notion that the “common law” is . . . not merely a product of culture-bound judge-made decisions accumulating over the centuries in the English-speaking world, but some sort of Platonic, mathematically-eternal embodiment of Justice; and the real law, the only really binding law, both beneath and above the tangled growth of politician-or-bureaucrat-made statutes and ordinances and regulations.

Of course, on any particular question of common law, what the FOTL think is probably very different from what any lawyer would tell you, but that only makes it more reliable, because lawyers are elites with a vested interest in the statist statute-law system. See Appeal to no authority.

It must be a right wing thing. When lefties in America get pissed at the government, they want to emigrate. When righties get pissed, they want to personally secede.

Because – where are they gonna emigrate to?! Lefties can go to Canada, but . . .

. . . Righties can go to Singapore.

No left handed folks allowed in Singapore?? That’s sad. :frowning:

I’d suggest that even more loathsome are the OPCA gurus who sell these poor suckers “use FOTL tactics to get out of debt free” packages and seminars.

If someone naively writes “accepted for value” on an invoice, or tells a judge, “I don’t accept your offer” because they have been told to do so by a guru whom they have paid for the information, they’re still in trouble; while the guru just sits back and counts his money.

Or not: http://www.justice.gov/tax/txdv08928.htm

I think you are correct to invoke alchemy. My impression is that they believe they’ve found an incantation that turns a slave into a sovereign without facing prosecution for regicide.

This, and I think they believe “common” refers to common sense, which it … doesn’t.

The rather short lived Republic of Minerva is another example.

I find it amusingly symbolic that they literally built their “nation” on sand.